The Neo-Confederate Grand Champion for 2008

Eric,

He would be one of the first people I know to have “many direct ancestors die in the Rev. war.” The patriots only had about 4500 dead. The odds would be staggering.

Mike

It’s indeed a prime example why vasectomies should, in some cases, be MANDATORY medical care.

What a fool. Not only is he clueless about North American history, he’s probably not even up to the standards of the 6th grade education he likely has.

But we need folks like him around, ya know – I’ve heard that laughing adds years to your life, so this clod will make us all eternal!

J.D.
(Family came here from Italy in 1893, so I guess I should get myself a green card to stay here…)

I was born in NJ. Does that make me an Illegal? 🙂

What I find funny is we already have a champion in this genre and the year is 13 days old. 🙂

Steve

Hey Eric, the Dukes of Hazzard (w/ 2 z’s my friend) was a great show from my youth. BTW: I’m really sorry to find out that I’m a foreigner….bummer.

Dear Sir ,
While I can understand your distaste for the individual , I think your ” cultural profiling ” of him smacks of ungentlemanly conduct of the same ilk.
Please corrrect your demeanor so I can cease further admonishment and continue your enjoyable cavalry writings.
cordially ,
David Corbett

BTW – there were a lot of people in the South who did not OWN SLAVES. you people making these harsh comments should do your homework. Same for Black Confederates. The proclamation was made because the Blacks were helping the South – lincoln’s plan was for them to rise up and kill us, but they did not!

google H. K. Edgerton of North Carolina, a Black Confederate who is marching across Dixie with the Confederate Battle Flag.

google; j. J. Johnson, Nelson Wimbish, William Williams, Bob Harrison, Col kelly’s website and other black Confederates.

BTW does REDNECK mean to you racist? The R-word has become the N-word bomb thrown at whites and especially white Southernors who remember their fore fathers.

This type of ‘neo-ranting’ makes it very difficult for those of us with a special attachment or penchant to Confederate history to defend the preservation and preservation of it. Ultimately, it hurts the memory of Southern history and heritage more than it helps, and much like the ongoing debate over the flag, it muddies the waters with unsubstantiated arguments and makes all of us look bad. Worse off, it reignites a divide that is senseless, and prevents people from truly sharing different perspectives and information. Talk about “brother vs. brother!”

Eric is a Jewish, liberal Phillies fan in OH who specializes in the cavalry (w/ a predominantly Union focus). I’m a Christian, conservative Yankees fan in VA who specializes in the religious-side off the conflict (w/ a Confederate focus). We are about as opposite as two history-buds could be, yet we both get along wonderfully and have the utmost respect for one another. The same can be said for the majority of us here in the blogoshpere. Why don’t they get that?

It is unfortunate that things have to turn ugly in order for us to appreciate each other’s POV’s. I actually left that Yahoo group today as I couldn’t take the banter – or the tons of emails that came as people argued back and forth.

Eric:

While most homegrown white Southerners do not take offense at being called a “redneck” it is, in my opinion, often MEANT to stereotype and to be insulting, demeaning and could, based on certain definitions, be considered a “racist” term, to wit:

1. Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States.
2. A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude. (American Heritage Dictionary)

Of course, most know the term originates from the fact white farmers often have sunburned necks from working outside all day. Wikipedia states that: “The word can be used either as a pejorative or as a matter of pride.” I suppose it depends upon your perspective and the circumstances in which the term is used.

From my perspective, I am rather proud of my dirt-farmer, “rural laboring”, Scots-Irish roots and heritage and, frankly, could not care less if someone calls me a redneck. Though I come from that stock, I can trace my heritage in Virginia all the way back to Jamestown. I like to fancy myself as a “refined redneck.” 🙂 My wife happens to come from Scots-Irish stock as well (as a matter of fact, we share the same great-great grandfather – which is, according to some, another defining characteristic of rednecks). She is also of Monacan Indian descent – a very proud & unique bloodline combination which makes her mean as he** – but in a sweet kind of way.

Regarding the “neo-Confederate” label, I believe its over-used and seems to be an easy (and at times unfair) way of dismissing honest disagreements and difference of opinion regarding the “late unpleasantness.” It seems that anyone who celebrates their Southern heritage now has the “neo-Confederate” label plastered on them. Yes, there are plenty of ignorant yahoos out there making silly statements about Southern heritage. But there is just as much silliness and ignorance coming from the other perspective as well.

I’m actually working on a rather long post along these lines for my blog, but enough for now. I look forward to meeting you in March.

Best,
RGW

PS: I hate to run, but my wife is out of Red Man and I need to make a quick trip to 7-11.

Cajie wrote:

BTW – there were a lot of people in the South who did not OWN SLAVES. you people making these harsh comments should do your homework.

Cajie,

I have studied genealogy for quite some time. As a matter of fact, it was my spring board to study the “recent unpleasantness.” And most of my family lived in the commonwealth of VA, many fought for Jeff Davis & some of them, regretably, did own slaves. So I have done my homework. The gentleman in question said the following:

“I would also like to add that I am a founding family of Virginia and America. My family fought for the South. None of my ancestors owned any slaves. Also, with my family coming into this country in 1609 and 1614 I had many direct ancestors die in the Rev. war. ”

If his family was a “founding family of VA” & if they have been on this North American continent for some 400 years,then someone in his genepool owned slaves. Period. Family trees go back exponentially — one set of parents, 2 sets of great grandparents, 4 sets of great great grandparents, etc. So, the odds would be astronomical that a “founding family” (whatever that means) living in a Southern state from 1609-1865 did not have any slaves. That dog just don’t hunt! He just didn’t dig deep enough into his family history. He might be studying paternal connections & not maternal. He may also be hiding the truth. Could be ashamed. I don’t know.

The war is over! The Union won! Get over it.

Mike

Genealogy also was my spring board to the true knowing of Lincoln’s War. It was a ten year gut wrenching experience to realize what was done to my Southern Ancestors by the USA empire’s determination to keep the South as their colony. Call me names I don’t care, I know what I know. The proof is in the pudding.

Thank you Richard for your clarification of the labels applied to the Southern people by their detractors, you made the point of where I was coming from.

The 1867 14th amendment was approved by coercion of the Southern Representatives who disapproved and were forced to approve or they would not be allowed in the union that they were not allowed to leave. Thus began reconstruction. Look it up. Consider the break up of the Soviet union, independent Georgia comes to mind, and other empires around the world over the centuries, who have had to let their people go. In 1861-1865 The South was forced into the union by gun and bayonet.

As to all Southernors owning slaves – no way. We got em, we had em, we did the best we could with em. I don’t apologize for it or feel shame, Obama’s ancestors owned em and he is nth cousin to Dick Cheney.. Robt E. Lee’s ancestor returned from school in England and denounced slavery in the Virginia legislature and a message was sent to the king to stop the importation of slaves, Also Georgia sent pleas to the king to stop the importation of slaves, both pleas were denied by the king, so whose flag is the flag of slavery? People were really tired of dealing with it so by the time 1861 rolled around only about 7% owned slaves in the South (they were expensive, it was the poor whites who were sent to clear the swamps and got malaria). Some of these plantations were owned by north easterners, of which some were absentee owners and some who came South remained because they loved the South and supported the Confederate States of America. The plantation owners were feeding the NE mills (see book c 2007 COMPLICITY, they name names you will recognize today) (see, Jefferson Davis’s wife’s family in Natchez, Charles Dahlgren, brother of John A. Dahlgren the famous inventor of the yankee naval gun used in lincoln’s war to slaughter my people).

There are many books that have come into print since 2000 by educated people who do have real sources and facts that prove my points. Google Sen. Linbergh of MN on the 1913 Federal Reserve.

There is also a fascinating read of a mystery novel by Thomas Moore “The Hunt for Confederate Gold”. He is a former Pentagon officieal in the Reagon Administration who served on the professional staff of the Senate Armed Services Committee and directed defense and foreign policy studies at The Heritage Foundation.

I apologize eric if i gave like for like on your blog.

make that cracker not vracker.