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Comments on: Exceeding Orders https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=88 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=88&cpage=1#comment-315 Tue, 03 Jan 2006 03:38:58 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=88#comment-315 Dave,

I do think it’s a fair comparison. I tend to think that had Ully Dahlgren survived the war, he would have ended up with a commission in the Regular Army in the years after the war, and I suspect he would have had the same issues that Custer had. I likewise think that he might have met an untimely end just as Custer did.

As for the Fredericksburg expedition, I believe that Dahlgren knew what the expedition was all about. In his report, Dahlgren wrote, “I started from Gainesville, on the morning of the 8th instant, to Fredericksburg to ascertain the force of the enemy at that place, and then to examine the Aquia Creek and Fredericksburg Railroad on the return.” So, that suggests to me that he knew exactly what was going on and what the object of the mission was. Instead, he destroyed the bridges and exceeded his orders.

I agree with the rest of your conclusions, as well as the contrast between command and control on one hand and cowboying subordinates on the other.

Eric

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By: Dave Kelly https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=88&cpage=1#comment-314 Tue, 03 Jan 2006 03:31:43 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=88#comment-314 It’s an interesting question. Not one readily answered. It’s hard to differentiate judgement issues if you don’t have all the facts related to how the players determine their actions. Wind up deducing motives from demonstrated tendencies again. I think your instincts in the case of Custer and Dahlgren are fair.

In the case of the Fredericksburg Raid one wonders what Dahlgren knew of the intended plans of his superiors regarding movement towards the city. Had it been made clear to Dahlgren that his raid was intelligence gathering in anticipation of movement in that direction I would presume he would understand that the destruction of bridges wasn’t to the benefit of his command. In the absence of a clear conops such an officer took it upon himself to hurt the enemy given the opportunity. So where was the operational shortfall in this circumstance?

It has been noted that Stuart’s first ride around McClellan before the 7 Days also was unsolicited and had negative consequences because it hastened McClellan’s orders for a change of base before Lee struck. As a result Lee misconstrued McClellan’s line of retreat (to the James instead of Williamsburg.)

I don’t think the answer to this dilema in command and control is demanding simple obedience to orders, as the orders may be deficient in scope or purpose to begin with. Modern command and control procedures do in fact expect that the order give some sense of intent of the mission and how it relates to a scheme of maneuver. Issue bad instructions and you get what you give.

So we have several issues here in fact. Command and control on the one had. Cowboy subordinates on the other.

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