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Comments on: Stop Wal-Mart https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Greg Rowe https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859&cpage=1#comment-34264 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:13:35 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859#comment-34264 First, let me say, any comments I make here or on other blog sites are as a reformed Confederate apologist. I, too, once accepted generally held, but historically inaccurate, beliefs in much the same way as Mr. Shandrick. Then, I became a history teacher! I am a native Texan able to trace ancestry to a veteran of the Texas Revolution of 1836 who fought at San Jacinto. I have a great-great grandfather who served in the Confederate army. That being said, on two accounts I’m not blowing smoke up anybody’s hindquarters. Both personally and professionally I’m interested in this. But as a former journalist (I was a newspaper editor and publisher before I became a teacher), I am also interested in accuracy. That is the reason I’m a reformed Confederate apologist.

Sources for additional information in my previous posts can be found at the following sites and in the following books.

A brief biography of Philip Nolan by noted Texas historian Archie P. McDonald in his syndicated column “All Things Historical” can be viewed at http://www.texasescapes.com/AllThingsHistorical/PhilipNolanAM703.htm.

A good biography of Moses Austin is D.B. Gracy, II’s Moses Austin: His Life published by Trinity University Press in 1987. Additionally, Moses was born in Connecticut and later moved to Virginia. So, if the tariff was truly what the Austins were against by establishing a colony in Texas, isn’t that a little hypocritical given Moses’ actual birthplace? (Of course, as “Billy Yank” points out, this comment ignores the mounds of historical evidence against the tariff argument as a cause of the Civil War. James McPherson’s Battle Cry of Freedom is a secondary source that bears this out well.)

A brief biography and links to several letters by Stephen Austin are available at the Texas State Library & Archives Commission webpage http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/treasures/giants/austin/austin-01.html.

The Adams-Onis Treaty of 1819 and France’s and Spain’s swapping of Louisiana and Texas can be found in several good histories of the United States. The Oxford Companion to United States History by Paul S. Boyer is one that discusses the treaty’s impact on both United States and Texas history.

While this has become an effort to set the record straight as to why Moses and Stephen Austin established a colony in Texas, I’ll say this about battlefield preservation. Any battlefield, from any war, contains so much area associated with it that if we halted all development because of this there would be little development to be had, particularly on the eastern coast of the United States where three major wars of our history have occurred. I’m not saying battlefield preservation isn’t important. What I am saying is that we need to temper our desire to preserve these things with the knowledge that we cannot preserve all of it, but we should focus on the most important parts of the battlefields where fighting actually took place. We would do well to follow the example of all good generals in choosing the time and place of our engagement rather than letting our opponents do it for us.

Over commercialization is a problem in this country and Wal-Mart is a prime culprit. From the comments, it seems that many have more problems with Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. rather than the actual planned development of the area. Mr. Aubrecht points out that three Wal-Marts exist along the route to this area. That would seem to be poor marketing on Wal-Mart’s part, not to mention the reason for so much ire from locals and history lovers everywhere – no matter whom it’s directed at, Wal-Mart or the developers. Bill Quinn’s book is a good one, but Mr. Quinn (with whom I have conversed with on the phone on several occasions and have a deep respect for) and many others totally ignore the corporate nature of all such endeavors that Mr. Williams alludes to in his post above. While we cannot save everything, we must, as historians, researchers, teachers and history lovers endeavor to prevent the most egregious mismanagement of these site, ones like in Georgia of which Mr. Noe speaks.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859&cpage=1#comment-34262 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:27:43 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859#comment-34262 Greg,

My antipathy toward neo-Confederate hooey such as that posted by Mr. Shandrick is well-known. I am all for anything that rebuts, so please, feel free. Please feel free to put up whatever you want to rebut it.

Eric

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By: Greg Rowe https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859&cpage=1#comment-34261 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:17:38 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859#comment-34261 Moses Austin’s request for a land grant was to the Spanish government. While it was granted, Moses died and Stephen took over the project. In the interim, The Mexican Revolution of 1821 occurred and Stephen had to obtain a second grant, for the same land, from Mexican officials.

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By: Greg Rowe https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859&cpage=1#comment-34260 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:12:46 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859#comment-34260 As a Texas History teacher, I’m not sure where Mr. Shandrick studied history, particularly Texas history, but it probably wasn’t in a classroom in our fair state.

First, it’s “Stephen,” not “Steven,” Austin. Second, it wasn’t his idea to settle Texas in the first place. Two things can be argued here. 1) Filibustering expeditions under the likes of Philip Nolan began in the late 1700’s. Austin did not come with his “Old 300” (the original Texas colonists) until 1821. 2) It was Moses Austin, Stephen’s father, who requested a land grant from the Mexican government for settling what is now Texas. Third, the Austin family’s expeditions into Texas had nothing to do with tarrifs and the high price of imported goods. It did have to do with some group of people getting rich, but not the group Mr. Shandrick points to. The colonization of Texas was a business proposition designed to make the Austin’s rich. A similar plan had been successful for Moses in the 1790’s in Missouri under the Spanish when it controlled that area. (Yes, it later became part of the Louisiana Purchase. But that also explains the reason the US laid claim to Texas until the Adams-Onis Treaty of 1819. Spain and France had swapped Texas in these transactions as well.) Oh, and by the way, the Austin’s were lead miners from Virginia, as well as investment bankers (land speculators), lawyers, and plain old politicians. So, the “Yankee corprate greed” comment is a little humorous.

I have offered a brief rebuttal to Mr. Shandrick’s inaccuracies. I realize I have not provided sources, but, since this is not my blog, I have tried to keep it short. Should Mr. Wittenberg desire, I’ll be happy to provide readers with sources to verify these statements in greater detail.

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By: Billy Yank https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859&cpage=1#comment-34251 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:52:09 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859#comment-34251 Why, depsite the mountain of evidence to the contrary, do people like Michael Shandrick continue to push the tariff aguement?

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By: Billy Yank https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859&cpage=1#comment-34250 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:50:47 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859#comment-34250 Why, despite the mountains of information to the contrary do people like Michael Shandrick continue the tariff arguement?

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By: Brooks Simpson https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859&cpage=1#comment-34231 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:12:29 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859#comment-34231 Wal Mart was founded in Arkansas, a center of Yankee greed. So much for historical accuracy.

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By: Michael Shandrick https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859&cpage=1#comment-34222 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:39:49 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859#comment-34222 As a marketer and instructor I have often praised Wal Mart for their pioneering strategies, from the store’s inception with Sam Walton to the present, as well as the store’s innovative practices of adopting environmentally pro-active packaging policies well ahead of most other corporations. However, Wal Mart’s decision to blunder its way into hallowed ground reminds me that the corporation has a powerful spin machine, and behind the mirrors the company’s actions speak louder than its PR machine. My great grandfather fought at Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, the Wilderness and Spotsylvania with the Palmetto Rifles of South Carolina. He was fighting, not for slavery, but to stop the incursion of the Yankee industrial might from taxing the common people to death, raising the prices of imported goods with higher tariffs (this is why Texas was founded by Steven Austin to get away from Yankee corporate greed) and to impinge on the individual freedoms of South Carolinians, forcing them to sell their farms and work for the large New York-based agricultural (cotton) companies. Now 145 years later, Yankee greed has come at last to devour the memory of those who fought to keep their land free from exploitation. All in the name of commerce. What irony.

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By: Stop Wal-Mart at the Wilderness Battlefield https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859&cpage=1#comment-34220 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:30:54 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859#comment-34220 […] Civil War blogosphere is alive with concern over Wal-Mart’s recently released plan to build a Super Wal-Mart just north of the Wilderness […]

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By: Alex https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859&cpage=1#comment-34209 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:50:41 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=859#comment-34209 Walmart is the lowest of employers and doesn’t deserve to be anywhere on this planet.
Walmart is the cancer of business. Its legacy will forever be an unfair, selfish retailer that will sell out a countries manufacturing jobs just so it can bring in slave labour goods from China.

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