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Comments on: John Ferling’s Almost a Miracle: The American Victory in the War of Independence https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: toby https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774&cpage=1#comment-28022 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:16:26 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774#comment-28022 Good post, one slight “nit” to show off some of my knowledge of Roman history.

Fabius was not a Roman emperor… he official position was Dictator, from which we get the word. The war with Hannibal was fought in the period when Rome was still a Republic. They elected two Consuls annually to run the state jointly, but in times of emergency a Dictator was elected for a year only.

In Fabius’ time, an “imperator” (from which the word emperor derives) meant a victorious general.

One point about Fabius is that his strategy succeeded in saving Rome and weakened Hannibal. Later the Romans went on the offensive under Scipio Africanus, invaded Africa, and forced Hannibal to evacuate Italy. Hannibal was defeated and went into exile.

The morale is that a Fabian strategy may weaken an enemy, but complete victory might require a higher level of risk than a Fabian strategy would allow.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774&cpage=1#comment-27752 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:32:52 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774#comment-27752 Thanks, Ken. I really appreciate your passing that along to him. I thought it was one of the very best books on the Rev War I’ve yet read, and I’ve now read about 40 of them. In addition to being a sterling researcher, John can write, too. As you know, just because one has the right letters after one’s name doesn’t necessarily a writer make. That’s simply not true in John’s case.

Eric

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By: Ken Noe https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774&cpage=1#comment-27715 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:50:11 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774#comment-27715 Eric:

I copied this to John, he said thanks.

Ken

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By: Fred Ray https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774&cpage=1#comment-27671 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:24:46 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774#comment-27671 Actually, Fabius was a consul and briefly a (legal) dictator but never an emperor (these were still 200 years away). The Romans adopted the strategy out of desperation because they realized they could not defeat Hannibal in the field. They did, however, keep up a strategic offensive against Carthage elsewhere, notably in Spain.

I would compare Washington’s strategy more with Giap’s in IndoChina against the French. Start with guerrillas, then progress to militias, then to a field army capable of defeating the enemy in a pitched battle. With allies, of course, which the Confederacy never had.

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By: David https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774&cpage=1#comment-27632 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:48:32 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774#comment-27632 Suggest you read “Retreat to Victory?: Confederate Strategy Reconsidered” by Robert G. Tanner.

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By: Dave Powell https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774&cpage=1#comment-27553 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:01:06 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774#comment-27553 I disagree that Johnston was interested in a Fabian Strategy. Johnson instead fell back on classic Jominian terms. He was not interested in avoiding a major battle; instead he wanted to induce Sherman into an attack, and once defeated, counter-punch.

A Fabian approach was completely unworkable for the South for a couple of reasons:

1) there were no areas ‘safe’ from Union occupation. Fabius’ power base – Rome and other major cities – could remain inviolate because Hannibal could not beseige them. He lacked the force and the supplies to do so. In the Am Rev, the British never had the manpower to come even remotely close to holding the bulk of the countryside – the Rebels could hold places like Carlisle or Albany safely, giving them safe havens. In the ACW, there was no place the Union army couldn’t get to or occupy.

2) One of the South’s principle war aims – the protection of slavery – would be destroyed outright. Even before the EP, wherever Union forces appeared in strength, for all practical purposes, slavery ended. A Fabian approach would only speed this process along.

Dave Powell

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By: Ray Todd Knight https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774&cpage=1#comment-27543 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:19:18 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=774#comment-27543 Sounds sort of like what Joe Johnston was trying to do in the Atlanta Campaign. Too bad Jeff Davis couldn’t see the bebefits of such a stategy. But I doubt the South ever could have held on for eight years.
Ray

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