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Comments on: This Is Perplexing…. https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: John L. Herberich https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718&cpage=1#comment-22567 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:29:33 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718#comment-22567 Gentlemen: My great-grandfather was in the Fourth Regiment United States Cavalry from his enlistment in 1859 at age 19, until his discharge
at First Sergeant, Company I, January 1, 1872. For the past three years I
have been compiling a history of the 4th Regiment. As a novice to the Civil War, I decided to start by creating a timeline of dates, places, events, and commands, affecting Company I and the 4th Regiment. Most of this
has been done by researching through the published works of the historians of the Civil War, which led me to both Vale’s and Rand Bitter’s
work on Minty’s Cavalry, Sipes book on “The Saber Regiment”, Sergeant
Larson’s book, and other fascinating publications. Rand had some great
information he shared with me and I recently began corresponsponding
with Don Caughey who has also been very generous. My first “rough draft” of about 325 pages is done. Along the way I’ve gotten a handle on
the Western Theater and the activities of the Regiment. Now that I have the outline, I’m going to take Rand Bitter’s advice, start again at the beginning, and research each day, month, and event – this time with the
Official Records and any other primary source material I can find. I would
certainly welcome any recommendations or suggestions from those of you who have an interest in the Regular Cavalry – especially the 4th Regiment!

I do not believe there were any 4th Regulars in the Eastern Theater in
July, 1864. At that time the 4th was part of Sherman’s Atlanta Campaign
in Robert Minty’s “Saber Brigade” – 1st Brigade, 2nd Division, Cavalry
Corps, Army of the Cumberland. Companies L & M were “created in the
field” at Nashville, November, 1862.

Companies A & E had been assigned to Headquarters, Army of the Potomac as personal escort to General McClellan, April – December 1862
and were “loaned” to Burnside during the Battle of Fredericksburg, December `3, 1862. They rejoined the Regiment in Nashville in late
December. All 12 Companies of the Regiment participated in the Battle of
Franklin, Tenn., April 10, 1863.

Does anyone know the name of the 4th Regiment officer in question?
Many times, officers of the Regular Cavalry were assigned to help train
new volunteer companies.

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By: Andrew Ballard https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718&cpage=1#comment-22377 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:54:05 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718#comment-22377 Official Records, Series I, Vm. XXXVII, p. 337-339 talks about the 6th US Cavalry defending Hagerstown and no mention of the 4th US:

Major J. S. SCHULTZE,

Assistant Adjutant-General.

MUTTONTOWN, MD., July 8, 1864.

I moved with command to the edge of Hagerstown this evening and sent an officer and thirty men into the town and beyond. There were a few rebels in the town that we chased out. I discovered one of their camps of about 200 men about one mile from town on the Sharpsburg road. Some reliable citizens told me that there was another camp on the Funkstown road of a large force, and the men that passed through the town belonged to several different commands, and I suppose there is a much larger force in the vicinity than we are aware of. The enemy burned the hay and engine-house, and also some of the grain. I did not have time to find out what other damage was done except the plundering of several stores. Lieutenant Torrence, of the Fourteenth Pennsylvania Cavalry, the officer who was in command of the twenty-five men that were captured when I was forced out, in he town, badly wounded; also two of my men unable to be moved. The citizens say that about twelve of the men that were captured escaped from the rebels. I have been trying to do as much as I could with my little command and am now completely fagged out, both men and horses; many of my horses have given out entirely. The many roads that I have to picket and patrol keeps more than half of the command out all the time. Please send me more rations, also a ration of whisky for my men.

H. T. McLEAN,

First Lieutenant, Sixth U. S. Cavalry, Commanding

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By: Fred Ray https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718&cpage=1#comment-22211 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:08:42 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718#comment-22211 Both sides had substantial dismounted units, not so much out of choice as for lack of horseflesh. Some Southern regiments had a “Company Q” made up of dismounted horsemen. One of the ironies of the Ft. Stevens fight was that you had the 25th NY Cav, which was unmounted, fighting the 62 VA, which was mounted infantry.

Eric, would the Martinsburg group be the same as the Ft. Stevens or Snicker’s Ferry group, or another one? Yes, I’d say some unraveling is needed here.

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By: Caswain https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718&cpage=1#comment-22199 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:04:52 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718#comment-22199 Large detachment of dismounted cavalry? Oh, this may open the door for thousands of, shall we say, “authenticity challenged” reenactors who prefer to participate in the events, sans-equine.

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By: J David Petruzzi https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718&cpage=1#comment-22162 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:10:43 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718#comment-22162 Tom and Billy – that would be terrific. Let us know if you turn up anything.

Don, good suggestion about Starr – but I’d say if one wanted just one volume on the whole war (and depending which side of cavalry you wished to concentrate on) I’d go with either of those Longacre volumes.
J.D.

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By: Billy https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718&cpage=1#comment-22161 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:39:27 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718#comment-22161 Eric, I will try to get to the library tomorrow or Tuesday and rifle through the microfilm of the 4th Cavalry’s regimental returns for that period. Those should have definitive data on who was where (well, they mostly do anyway.)

Billy

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By: Don https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718&cpage=1#comment-22160 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:37:41 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718#comment-22160 Mannie,

For your purposes, I’d recommend Stephen Z. Starr’s The Union Cavalry in the Civil War, Volume I. It’s eastern theater specific, and runs from the outbreak all the way through Gettysburg. It should help tie the developing Union cavalry situation into your campaign nicely.

Don

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718&cpage=1#comment-22159 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:17:43 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718#comment-22159 Tom,

That would be fabulous and would be greatly appreciated if you wouldn’t mind doing that for us.

Eric

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718&cpage=1#comment-22158 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:17:06 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718#comment-22158 Fred,

The answer is that the dismounted men were sent back to Giesboro Point for remounting. A bunch of them were sent to fight against Early’s invasion with Benjamin F. Kelley at Martinsburg. I edited the memoir of a sergeant of the 5th Michigan Cavalry who was one of those men, so we have some idea of how it transpired.

This one is, I think, going to be a challenge to unravel.

Eric

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By: Tom Clemens https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718&cpage=1#comment-22157 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:15:44 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=718#comment-22157 Hmm. Not a promise, but now that the Washington Country Free Library has indexed the local newspaper for the Civil War years maybe there is something in there about the skirmish. I’ll try to look or call John Frye, (Dennis’ father) who runsthe special collections room. I’ll let you know if I find anything.

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