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Comments on: A Sad Day for Baseball https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Ken Noe https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634&cpage=1#comment-15151 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:55:34 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634#comment-15151 Bonds is named in the report.

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By: Art Bergeron https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634&cpage=1#comment-15150 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:57:47 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634#comment-15150 In recent years, it has been the Boston Bosux who have been the best team money could buy. It seems obvious that some of their players have been involved with drugs. One has to wonder why none of them were named.

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By: Brooks Simpson https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634&cpage=1#comment-15145 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:28:13 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634#comment-15145 BTW, I don’t believe Sammy Sosa’s name appears in the report.

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By: Valerie Protopapas https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634&cpage=1#comment-15142 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:21:14 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634#comment-15142 Oh, and a p.s. Learned today that there were names released without any corroborating evidence that rises to the point of conclusive. On the other hand, there were many names NOT released because those involved would not speak openly about the matter and so NOTHING was available to add their name to the list other than suspicion.

This means that there may be those who have been accused but not involved and those who have been involved but whose names were not released. To me this is worse than the scandal itself. Either name EVERYBODY or NOBODY except those – like Jason Giambi – who came forward and admitted their involvement. Throwing out some names and not others gives the appearance of guilt where none may actually exist and the appearance of innocence which may very definitely be undeserved (neither McGuire nor Bonds is ‘outed’ in the report, so I’m reliably informed!). What sort of ‘justice’ is this??

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By: Valerie Protopapas https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634&cpage=1#comment-15134 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:16:27 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634#comment-15134 Ah, a chance to be ‘controversial’!. Let me just say this: WHO CARES?! These fellows – I won’t call them men – are grossly overpaid ‘celebrities’ who will do whatever is necessary to win. Gee, isn’t THAT unusual!

First, our entire society has abandoned moral absolutes in favor of ‘what works’. Nothing is REALLY ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ all the time (maybe MOST of the time, but….), after all, we’re told that what’s ‘right’ and ‘good’ for you might not be the same for me, so ‘live and let live’, don’t force your morality on me, and so forth. This world view excuses cheating, lying and a whole lot of other things in a lot more important world venues than a silly game.

And speaking of ‘silly game’, what’s up with America’s fixation with sports? Like the Roman mob, Americans are kept quiescent in the face of assaults on our Constitutional liberties (AND our Constitution) with a 24-7 diet of stupid games which have become more important to many than their actual lives! Gone are the days of church on Sunday morning (soccer-baseball-lacrosse games for the kiddies) or Sunday family dinner (gather round the TV for baseball or football, depending). For those of us who have no use for ‘sports’, watching America’s fixation with whose playing whom and the ‘point spread’ is both nauseating and frightening.

Let’s face it. Athletes, like film stars and politicians, want to give the ‘fans’ what they want. That’s where ‘success’ lies; that’s where the money is (always follow the money) and that’s where ‘fame’ resides. The fans are the LAST ones to claim ‘foul’ for they would have been the first ones to complain and stay away in droves from games featuring ordinary people. Juice the ball, move the fences in, lower the mound, all to create the offensive excitement that fill the seats. Owners, players and various league officials do what the FANS want! And since honesty is now subjective rather than objective, any cry of ‘wrongdoing’ or ‘foul’ is as dishonest as the player who took the dope and the manager, owner and league officials who looked the other way! It’s a long way from the ‘Black Sox’ scandal to this tempest in a teapot.

I would suggest that the best thing that might come out of all this is for Americans to get their heads out of their collective television sets and TURN OFF THE SPORTS! Get a life! Who cares what idiot took what ‘performance enhancing drug’? He did it because that was the way to success – and success pays off. Indeed, these cheating players are far more honest than most today. They put their own bodies on the line (steroids are dangerous!) to EARN the money that they get for performing an apparently appreciated service while cheating politicians, CEOs, Union bosses and the like are busy taking money from our pockets without either danger to themselves or a return to the public! Who, then, is the REAL cheat!

Frankly, the fact that this nonsense can so enthrall a nation facing huge problems in the REAL world says more about the moral and intellectual failings of the American public than that of a few men involved in a meaningless game.

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By: Jeff Mancini https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634&cpage=1#comment-15127 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:58:02 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634#comment-15127 As for Bud Selig: He is a poo stain on the great American pastime. A stooge of a man who cares nothing about competitive balance, economic equlibrium and athletes competing against each other ethically and fairly. He lacks the character and will to stand up to a blowhard like Don Fehr. If Bud Selig cared about baseball he would have long ago demanded that the owners back him in a demand for mandatory drug testing amongst the players. That some players were ingesting illegal substances like steroids and human growth hormone to gain a competetive advantage over others speaks volumes to the fact that he is more interested in turning a buck than presenting the paying fans and supporters of the game with an unbiased, untainted product. He is just as decrepit as the cheats who used the drugs to pad their lifetime stats as if they will someday be immortalized for their achieviements. The sole gate keepers of the games…the men who vote for the inductions of players into the hall of fame will most assuredly not induct: Roger Clemens,Barry Bonds,Mark McGwire,Sammy Sosa,Rafael Palmiero,Jose Canseco and any other person with extraordinary career statistics identified by the Mitchell Investigation or any prior or after revelation to Cooperstown and rightfully so. Therefore Eric, George Steinbrenner, who bagged millions with his high flying Yankees, taking advantage of baseball’s inability to not only reign in illegal substance usage but also in implementing a balanced and fair salary ceiling amongst its teams shares a great deal of responsibility in this whole sordid era. Thus the linkage of the haves and have nots although different than the illegal drug issue is part of the pattern of how baseball unlike the NHL,NBA and NFL is a sport devoid of fairness, truth and transparency. Fix the game MLB owners and if Bud Selig and Don Fehr object show them the door. The court of American public opinion will back you 100% I’m sure (unless you are a Yankee or Red Sox fan.)

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By: Sarah Adler https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634&cpage=1#comment-15121 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:37:56 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634#comment-15121 I am so very glad that Cal Ripken, Jr. is not on that list. I do not know what I would do.

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By: Jeff Mancini https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634&cpage=1#comment-15120 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:17:52 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634#comment-15120 Eric: Ask yourself “Is baseball tainted more by performance enhancing drug usage by its players or the greed of owners who turned a blind eye to this usage when in the mid 1990’s it was apparent that the players were performing beyond the scope of previous efforts but were also restoring fan attendance that had slipped in the wake of a debilitating strike?” A second question may also be asked: “Is MLB baseball competetive when teams with $50 million payrolls compete against teams with $200 million payrolls? If baseball desires a fair,just and compettive balance should they not adopt rules that the NFL,NHL and NBA subscribe too: That is equality not only amongst the players but also in their payrolls. Baseball needs to fix both issues. Therefore competetive balance can be restored.Good topic. Have a great holiday too. Regards, Jeff.

P.S. If Clemens was not using steroids or hgh why did he refuse to talk to George Mitchell. I would think he would have cooperated with this request instead of letting himself get used by Don Fehr’s machinations.

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By: Brooks Simpson https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634&cpage=1#comment-15119 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:26:50 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634#comment-15119 Eric, your observations would carry more weight if you distributed blame fairly and evenly. Instead you focus on the Yankees, and in the process I think you have let the fan in you overcome the lawyer.

As has been pointed out, the only Yankee championship team that would have been affected by this would be the 2000 edition, and really, that’s Clemens. The original accusations happened when Clemens was a Blue Jay. Besides, as the Yankees beat a juiced-up Giambi in 2000 and 2001, etc., you can see where your reasoning would lead, unless this is your desperate attempt to win pennants for Cleveland and Philadelphia in retrospect. I don’t see Jeter, Martinez, O’Neill, Bernie Williams, Rivera, etc., mentioned.

I’m no fan of Clemens, and I have never liked Giambi. So this is not a case of blind pinstripe pride. Nor am I going to wax nostalgic about the integrity of a game which was once segregated in those good old days (talk about tainted numbers).

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By: Gary Emling https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634&cpage=1#comment-15116 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:16:09 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=634#comment-15116 It will be interesting to compare the penalties handed down by MLB with those routinely given out by the Olympic organization and international cycling sanctioning groups. Ask Marian Jones if you can see one of her Olympic medals!

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