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Comments on: Making Stuff Up https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Brian Santiso https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-276 Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:54:14 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56#comment-276 I’ve been surfing over here for only a few days and I haven’t read this whole thread through, but I have to say I love footnotes. I’m a huge Gettysburg buff and I’ve learned quite a lot from the footnotes of Pfantz’s and Coddington’s books. The footnotes of their books could be described as books in their own right because of the information they hold. I’ve been reading the OR’s for Gettysburg about a year now and it’s tough going. The reports the soldiers wrote are vague and condradict each other, I lose hours each night trying to study a certain action of the battle but it is great fun. I bet Goodwin found it too slow to research on her own and took a ‘shortcut’. I have to wonder if Goodwin and the rest write just to get on MSNBC rather than write to advance our understanding of something.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-169 Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:04:33 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56#comment-169 Dave and Drew,

I’m with you, guys.

Eric

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By: Drew Wagenhoffer https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-168 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:19:54 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56#comment-168 honestly….that is

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By: Drew Wagenhoffer https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-167 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:19:09 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56#comment-167 I honest can’t think of a single good reason to read Goodwin’s book.

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By: Dave Kelly https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-166 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:40:52 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56#comment-166 This is too funny. An inocuous example of grievence is suckering people into buying a book they protest against, to check footnotes (LOL)

On point I have had several furious conversations about Gettysburg Day 3 brought on by the fact that several otherwise distinguished writers have decided that they can complete the staff process of Lee’s HQs in the absence of any historical record. “Lee must have done this because it’s the rational process for command and control implied by what people suggest they knew of their orders. ” Baloney. Where’s the evidence that nails down Lee’s command and intent?

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-165 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:59:38 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56#comment-165 Brett,

Haven’t read it. I was going by what was on Dimitri’s blog. Candidly, I doubt I will, either. I have too much piled up on my nightstand already.

Eric

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By: Drew Wagenhoffer https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-164 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:02:43 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56#comment-164 Vince,
I am often surprised that so many expressions used in CW letters, diaries, etc are not the modern slang we suppose them to be. I just read an artillerists’ account and he used the expression “let ‘er rip” when he pulled the lanyard.

Drew

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By: Brett Schulte https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-163 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:40:29 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56#comment-163 Eric,

I’m just curious (because I haven’t read the book and I don’t plan to), but how do Dimitri and yourself know that this conversation was made up? Does Kearns mention that she does this in the book, or is a source not mentioned? Or do you know it is made up for some other reason?

Brett S.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-160 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:46:54 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56#comment-160 Okay. We can all agree that “what’s up” had a place in the lexicon, and that it’s plausible that Lincoln in fact might have said that. I agree.

However, that’s not Dimitri’s point and it’s also not my point, either.

My point is that making things up–inventing conversations that never took place, as one example–is intellectually dishonest and that I cannot condone such conduct.

That was my point.

Eric

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By: Vince Slaugh https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56&cpage=1#comment-159 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:35:38 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=56#comment-159 I concur with Mr. Kelly’s comment. “What’s up” had a place in the lexicon of Billy Yank, if not all of mid-nineteenth century America. For example, the expression was used as we use it today by A. F. Hill in his dialogue-heavy memoir Our Boys (p. 351) published in 1864. (I was so suprised at some of the expressions he used that I wrote them down.) Hill served in the 8th Pennsylvania Reserves and was wounded in the Cornfield at Antietam. Also, a search using Google Print (sorry!) reveals another couple instances of the phrase’s usage between 1850 and 1870.

That said, I know that wasn’t the point of Mr. Rotov’s post and doesn’t justify the usage in question, but just thought I’d throw it out there anyway.

Thanks again for your posts. I read ’em all.
Vince Slaugh

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