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Comments on: Interesting food for thought….. https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Craig Swain https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657&cpage=1#comment-52554 Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:57:20 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657#comment-52554 John, yes. On June 22, AOP HQ called for a bridge over Goose Creek at its mouth. So by June 23, that bridge went in. The bridge was placed to facilitate movement of supplies. (The first bridge at Edwards Ferry was across the Potomac, placed on June 20-21, to supply the 12th Corps. I would much like to hear what your g.g.Uncle wrote in his diary for the last half of June. I’ve studied the crossing at Edwards Ferry extensively, managed to get a marker at the location, and have posted as much information as I can here: http://markerhunter.wordpress.com/edwards-ferry-crossing/

Craig.

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By: John Foskett https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657&cpage=1#comment-52510 Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:39:02 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657#comment-52510 Craig: This is extremely interesting to me. In his discussion about laying the bridges at Edwards Ferry on June 20-21, Isaac mentions building a bridge across “Goose Creek” on June 23. Any idea where that is and what was going on?

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By: Craig Swain https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657&cpage=1#comment-52504 Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:10:36 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657#comment-52504 There’s a lot I could offer as speculation here. As I’ve mentioned to Eric in emails, there are several other bits if information that must be taken in context with these two messages. First off, a significant portion of the army’s bridging equipment was in DC being repaired (remember in June 1863 those engineers put up numerous bridges to include the major crossing at Edwards Ferry). So we must ask if the AOP had enough equipment in position to support any crossing at that particular moment in time.

Secondly, the means to move that equipment was degraded somewhat. The engineers had animals to transport, but those were scattered out due to mission requirements. The BEST way to move bridging equipment on the Potomac was, as done in the last weeks of June 1863, by way of the C&O canal. BUT some fellow by the name of Stuart had sufficiently broken that transportation link when he made that “glory” ride to Gettysburg (ahem… one more “consequence” of Stuart’s ride if you ask me).

Third, during the late June bridging operations at Edwards Ferry, the engineers spoke of their preferences for locations to bridge the Potomac. Harpers Ferry was not one of them, and the justification was the narrow (non-existent) flood plain. Further down river, the Potomac enters more open country, particularly around Berlin and again around Leesburg. The engineers preferred those locations as they were less affected by the rise and fall of the river (ask me about the mechanics of the bridging and I’ll write you a book). HOWEVER, I have not seen any discussions of the pursuit crossings and can only offer the preferences of June in lieu.

Lastly, I’d also point out that Warren was not as involved with the tactical decisions with respect to the engineer brigade as we might think. While he provided suggestions for the June 1863 crossing of the Potomac, he was only distantly involved with the operation. Of course the brigade commander (Benham) was likewise less involved than he should have been. The task fell to lower grade officers – Spaulding, Turnbull, Spears,…. So any bridging done on July 12-14 would have fallen to those guys again. Thus, until I see direct correspondence involving those officers that provides details, I’m not convinced any bridging operation was seriously considered.

Lastly, let’s look at the chess board here. If Meade were to throw part or all of the AOP over at Harpers Ferry, what does he gain? Now the AOP has the Shenandoah (a formidable barrier in its own right) at their back. On the other hand, if the AOP moves quickly into Loudoun Valley (even after Lee’s recrossing), isn’t that a more advantageous position? Not only does the AOP stay between the ANV and Washington, but also is in position to interdict movement into Culpeper and thence back to the Rappahannock lines.

Thanks, Eric. Now I have yet another line of research for my studies!

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By: John Foskett https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657&cpage=1#comment-52328 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:39:20 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657#comment-52328 Eric:

That’s an extremely nice piece of detective work.

My great-great Uncle Isaac was in Co. D, US Engineers Battalion, and on July 12 they were on the march to Sandy Hook. His diary indicates that July 13 was “rainy” while they “lay in camp” near Sharpsburg, so the “river falling” window may have started closing by very late that day (although he records July 14 as “pleasant”). As an aside, he reached Sandy Hook on July 15 “with a lot of rain”. They were detailed on arrival to repair the “Ware”[?] Bridge over the river on that date.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657&cpage=1#comment-52324 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:44:41 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657#comment-52324 Absolutely right, JD.

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By: J David Petruzzi https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657&cpage=1#comment-52318 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:57:33 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657#comment-52318 Very neat discovery – and I missed it and never considered it either. I’m inclined to believe that Warren (being the thorough and meticulous engineer that he was) indeed brought this up either at the meeting or to Meade personally. It should have gotten them all thinking that Lee could escape by the night of the 13th. I wish we’d caught these missives to include in our “One Continuous Fight.” It would have mandated we include this discussion…

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By: Chuck https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657&cpage=1#comment-52311 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:00:29 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657#comment-52311 Eric: Interesting… thanks for posting. Was there no other source of info on flood levels available to Meade?

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By: Mike https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657&cpage=1#comment-52292 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:37:06 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657#comment-52292 Good work Eric.. just goes to show human nature and the weather can never be discounted as a factor in any human endeavor..

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By: Richard K. MacDonald, Jr. https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657&cpage=1#comment-52291 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:20:21 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3657#comment-52291 I love the Harper’s Ferry area, this was cool too my friend.

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