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Comments on: Shut up and quit whining…. https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: michael dugan https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453&cpage=1#comment-94190 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 22:46:31 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453#comment-94190 I now live in Texas. NJ for 50 years and saw it crumbling under the policies of liberal Democrats and forced socialism. Thank God for states like Texas where Americans can live free.

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By: Jones https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453&cpage=1#comment-49274 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:58:59 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453#comment-49274 Cherry picking a single supporting case doesn’t validate your opinion of succession being illegal. The argumentum ad hominem… “whiny morons”, “whiny children”, “imbeciles”, “whiners”, and “stupid” doesn’t work either.

It’s a joke to think they could petition the White House for succession. I assume most who signed it and are just using Obama’s facade of listening to his constituents. Regardless, it’s still lazy. If they want their country to reflect their values, then they have to work to change it just like the progressives did.

Even though that progressive takeover is taking my country in the wrong direction and it’s against most of my beliefs, the general advance has been just amazing! Obama’s rise to power is a remarkable story and says a lot about the current American massive cultural divide.

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By: John Foskett https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453&cpage=1#comment-48718 Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:16:03 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453#comment-48718 Be careful telling me what i prefer. What happened in 1776 was a rebellion. What happemed in 1861 was also a rebellion. Now go read the Constitution and tell me what it says about “rebellion”. And then tell me what equivelant provisions were in place in 1776 regarding the thirteen North American colonies of the British Empire.

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By: PHW https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453&cpage=1#comment-48716 Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:38:22 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453#comment-48716 Parse it however you want. Justify the ‘perpetual union’ however you want. The fact is, the right of people to associate with whomever they want was suppressed. What happens when the “more perfect union” fails? Should every state be dragged into the abyss?

What happened in 1776 is no different than in 1860. I prefer a state to have more control over its own affairs. You prefer statism.

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By: John Foskett https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453&cpage=1#comment-48690 Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:45:44 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453#comment-48690 We disagree on the “readmission” issue. That was not a concession that the states had lawfully “seceded”. Instead, the US put down a rebellion by several states (see the Constitution on rebellions) and imposed conditions upon their right to resume full participation in the Union/Congress, etc. directed at rejecting the prospect of another rebellion ( loyalty oaths, ratification of anti-slavery measures, etc.). In another words, they never left the Union. Instead, by engaging in an unlawful rebellion they forfeited certain rights of full participation until the rebellion was fully rooted out.

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By: PHW https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453&cpage=1#comment-48689 Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:00:39 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453#comment-48689 As long as we’re confronting illegalities, there’s the pesky issues of the the creation of West Virginia in violation of the Constitution and the annexation of Hawai’i to contend with. Also…if the states never actually seceded, why did they have to be “readmitted” and their representatives not seated 1866–and then not all of them?

Seems like the feds are talking out both sides of their mouths

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By: John Foskett https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453&cpage=1#comment-48675 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:08:31 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453#comment-48675 The DoI/AWI was a rebellion by colonies, not a “secession”. Small detail…

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By: Paul W https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453&cpage=1#comment-48669 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:32:21 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453#comment-48669 First, the secession petitions are ridiculous. You do not ask for secession. You declare it. Secondly, I voted for neither primary candidate as my vote was irrelevant in my state.

Did you really expect a radical republican-led court to rule secession was legal? Do ou expect that a federal government would ever declare that sub-entity secession is legal? Of course not.

Should we consider ourselves today part of the commonwealth because the DoI is a document of secession in itself? The war only proved the secession attempt was defeatable, not that it was illegal. War cannot prove something illegal or not.

There are 53M out there who voted against the President because they see his policies going where much of Europe is today economically, socially, politically. It’s irresponsible to paint them as morons. Should we call the 56M supporters of Obama Marxist-Leninist-Statists? It’s like calling al lawyers blood-sucking, money-loving parasites.

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By: Ken Noe https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453&cpage=1#comment-48667 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:18:18 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453#comment-48667 The Alabama petition was started by a man who is angry at the government for shutting down his business. It was topless car wash in Mobile.

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By: Todd Berkoff https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453&cpage=1#comment-48647 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:03:07 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=3453#comment-48647 I say let them secede this time. Who needs them. Maybe they can join Mexico.

What is interesting is that these states that have started these secession petitions receive the highest amount of federal aid compared to what they pay in taxes than the other states. http://www.examiner.com/article/states-most-wanting-to-secede-also-receive-the-most-federal-money

They want to separate themselves from the federal government, but don’t you dare touch their medicare or social security benefits!!

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