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Comments on: Wilderness Wal-Mart trial begins tomorrow https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359&cpage=1#comment-43858 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:55:01 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359#comment-43858 Now, what’s that you were saying, Jan?

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By: David Rhoads https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359&cpage=1#comment-43856 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:43:26 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359#comment-43856 Well, according to today’s (Jan. 26, 2011) Orange County Review, Wal-Mart has backed out from the Wilderness site. Even better, the Wal-Mart spokesperson says Wal-Mart will still purchase the land in order to conserve it:

“The county press release also suggests Walmart remains committed to locating in Orange County, but the county is anxious to have that assurance demonstrated substantially by Walmart meeting with the county in the coming months to move forward with an alternate site. Walmart has also pledged to reimburse the county for all administrative costs and attorney fees related to the case.

“We are actively pursuing another site along Route 3,” said Bill Wertz, divisional director for Walmart.

The retail giant said it would still purchase the 51 acres intended for the Wilderness Walmart in hopes of conserving the land.

“This will ensure the property is not commercially developed,” said Wertz, adding the land will be placed in conservation for perpetuity.

The move ended nearly four years of discussions, and nearly a year and a half of legal wrangling.

If this is true, my hat is off to Wal-Mart for doing the right thing in this case.

Full story is here: http://www2.orangenews.com/news/orange-news/2011/jan/26/walmart-backs-out-ar-800080/

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By: Tim Ferry https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359&cpage=1#comment-43844 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 02:10:56 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359#comment-43844 “We want the jobs, the tax revenue, and yes, the low prices.”

If you like Walmart so much, then drive to Fredericksburg or Culpeper.
If you want those type of jobs drive to Fredericksburg or Culpeper. There are better jobs or equivalent postions in the area of Fredericksburg or farther north.
The use, abuse, noise and clutter on the roads caused by too many shipping trucks on them, will cause a reversal of what you think will be brought to the county because of “tax revenue”. Money will be put back into cleaning, upgrading and maintaining those roads.
Low prices, well again drive to Culpeper or Fredericksburg, they are not far away if you choose to live in Orange County. One note, when you do drive to those places hit a Target in place of a Walmart!
If the County thinks this Walmart will bring in revenue, I think they have drafted a poorly crafted type of dispensation plan that they are trying to hoodwink the local populace on.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359&cpage=1#comment-43842 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 01:09:12 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359#comment-43842 David,

Thank you for being the voice of reason. I suspect your position much more accurately reflects the true sentiment than that of the above shrew.

Let’s hope the judge does the right thing.

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By: David Rhoads https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359&cpage=1#comment-43840 Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:11:12 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359#comment-43840 As a resident of the town of Orange in Orange County, Virginia, I take issue somewhat with Jan’s assessment of the state of local public opinion in regard to the Wilderness Wal-Mart.

The poll Jan refers to was commissioned and paid for by Wal-Mart back before the special use permit was approved by the County Supervisors. Unsurprisingly, the poll results reportedly showed strong local support for the store. I say “reportedly” because I myself wasn’t polled, nor was anyone I know in Orange, and complete data from the poll, including the precise wording of the questions asked, has not to my knowledge ever been made public, so I’m somewhat skeptical about the accuracy of the poll’s conclusions. There is no doubt, however, that Wal-Mart does have its supporters here.

On the other hand, I can testify to the fact that at the two public hearings before the County Planning Commission on the question of the special use permit–both of which I attended and at both of which I took the opportunity to voice my opposition to granting the permit–supporters of the Wal-Mart were outnumbered 2-to-1 by opponents of the permit among those present who made the effort to speak. Granted, not all the speakers opposed to the Wal-Mart were Orange County residents, but neither were all the speakers who spoke in favor of granting the permit.

My impression currently, based on what I hear personally and read in the local paper, is that local opinion is relatively evenly split on the issue. Issues of battlefield preservation aside, the promises of tax revenue and jobs held up by the Wal-Mart supporters are offset for many of us by the strain the Wal-Mart will inevitably place on local infrastructure and the crippling effect it’s “low prices” will likely have on some of our few remaining local small businesses.

Moreover, for those of us in the town of Orange, in Gordonsville, and indeed anywhere in the western end of the County, there are already four–yes, four!–Wal-Marts closer to us than the Wilderness Wal-Mart would be. And for those, like Jan, who live nearer the Wilderness site, there are already several exisiting Wal-Mart stores within a 10- to 15-mile radius. Building yet another Wal-Mart store in the area will not provide Orange residents with something they don’t already have.

Finally, I’d like to put paid to the “where were the battlefield people when they built the McDonald’s and the Sheetz” comments. Local and national battlefield preservationists spoke out against both of those developments when they were proposed and built, but both developments were small enough that, unlike the Wal-Mart megastore, they did not require special use permits to proceed. As it happened, those voices in favor of preservation were loud enough that the McDonald’s changed its proposed design so as to mitigate some of the more egregious negative effects on the viewshed; Sheetz, however, did not and built the same sort of eyesore that they put up everywhere else they go.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359&cpage=1#comment-43826 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:20:33 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359#comment-43826 I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion, wrong and misguided as it might be.

If you think that another crap store is more important than irreplaceable historical heritage, then you truly are wrong and misguided, and I feel nothing but sympathy for you for being so wrong and misguided.

You are dismissed.

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By: Jan https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359&cpage=1#comment-43796 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:22:51 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359#comment-43796 If enough of us boycott the company, perhaps it will finally pay attention to the wishes of the public.

General, exactly what have you done to determine “the wishes of the public?” Did it ever occur to you that public opinion in Orange County is not in your corner? A poll found strong support for the Wal-mart store. We want the jobs, the tax revenue, and yes, the low prices.

The land in question has been zoned commercial for almost four decades. Where were you when Sheetz, McDonalds, and other establishments came in, built stores, and started doing business there? Or are these entities not big and successful enough to draw your ire?

I live a few miles from the site. I would very much like to see the store built. It would be the least you could do as a historian to acknowledge the true facts here: that far more locals agree with me than with you.

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By: Scott Manning https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359&cpage=1#comment-43778 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:51:20 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2359#comment-43778 I have been fortunate to visit The Wilderness on two occasions. It is already overrun by highways and businesses, making it one of the more difficult battlefields to comprehend. They also make it dangerous to visit. I remember pulling over on a highway to get a view of “Grant’s headquarters.” There are numerous signs asking folks to stay off the trenches, which are still visible to an extent. Time and people wear these things down. Dropping a Wal-Mart less than a half mile away from the Federal trenches will not help the situation.

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