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Comments on: An African-American’s perspective on the Sesquicentennial https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: John Foskett https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342&cpage=1#comment-43748 Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:34:00 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342#comment-43748 Valid points are made by both Jackson and Eric. I do think that there are two problems which Jackson’s editorial properly targets. First, there is zero question that but for slavery, Lincoln’s election, and the perception throughout at least the deep South that his election meant a constriction of slavery’s expansion if not outright abolition, there would have been no secession – and, therefore, no war. Whether any individual enlisted to fight for slavery or for other reasons really doesn’t matter because there can be no doubt as to why there was need for enlistment in the first place. (And Chandra Manning’s What This Cruel War Was Over shows that many more enlistees saw defense of slavery as a reason to fight than has always been assumed). Second, Jackson’s point about “celebrating” the War reflects the fact that there are still a lot of “Lost Cause” types who simply refuse to acknowledge some simple truths about why there was a war – understandably, because nobody in his or her right mind wants to defend an inherently evil institution. It’s a fine line between “celebrating” and “commemorating”, to be sure, but I understand the point. I do see a difference between recalling the sacrifices of soldiers on both sides at a Gettysburg or a Shiloh, on the one hand, and commemorating secession, on the other. The first honors something only indirectly connected to the “peculiar institution”. The second honors an act which was clearly intended to preserve that institution.

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By: Dave Navarre https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342&cpage=1#comment-43647 Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:39:07 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342#comment-43647 I think we have to keep in mind that there are a lot of separate issues that are usually lumped together here. They are related, but not the same.

The first issue is why did the South seceed? Simply, they stated that the primary reason was the preservation of slavery. Many other issues were included as justification, including tariffs and state’s rights. State’s rights is the one that is quoted most often, but is also the least valid, for the southern states had no concern whatsoever about state’s rights when it came to the Fugitive Slave Act. If one were to argue that the South seceeded in order to preserve it’s political power (having been the dominant region for much of the history of the country), that would bear more weight, but that argument isn’t often presented as the main motivation to retain that power would be to preserve slavery.

The Union, however, didn’t go to war to end slavery, but rather to preserve the Union. If the southern states had been allowed to leave when they thought they might no longer get their way, the central government would have become powerless. Any decision that displeased a single region would be grounds for that region to leave the Union. That it ended up ending slavery tends to confuse the issue.

However, the cause of the war or the reasons his side was fighting were not always the reason any particular soldier was fighting the war. Protecting their homes, proving their manhood, seeking excitement, showing their patriotism, fighting for what was right, state’s rights and hundreds of other reasons were motivators for enlistment.

I don’t think that identifying slavery as the cause of the war makes Confederate soldiers into individual advocates of slavery. It merely identifies why the war happened. If slavery had somehow disappeared before 1860, none of the other issues would have brought about a war.

There were, of course, at least 180,000 men for whom ending slavery was a main motivator….

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By: kevin a kearns https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342&cpage=1#comment-43628 Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:31:45 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342#comment-43628 they might not have known it but even the non-slaveowners were fighting at least over slavery.

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By: Raphe A. Whaley https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342&cpage=1#comment-43620 Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:52:49 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342#comment-43620 I couldn’t agree more with your analysis. To deny the fact that slavery was a leading cause of the war is basically ridiculous, but there is no question that there were a myriad of reasons that the war was fought for. We simply cannot accurately understand the people of that time and the decisions they made based on our 21st century ideals and beliefs. Thanks for the posting and keep up the great work!

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By: jldinkelaker https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342&cpage=1#comment-43586 Tue, 18 Jan 2011 03:00:52 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342#comment-43586 Thanks for posting this op-ed, I found I agreed with most of Jackson’s argument. Whenever you mention the Civil War and slavery, there is going to a discussion. But I couldn’t agree more that slavery was THE cause of the Civil War. The secession conventions that voted to leave the Union specifically stated they were leaving over slavery – Mississippi’s Declaration of Causes for her leaving the Union states that, “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery– the greatest material interest of the world.”

You say that, “Many Southerners fought not to perpetuate slavery but to defend their states and to pursue a vision of states rights that they shared. There certainly were plenty of Southerners who fought for the Confederacy who never owned slaves.”
And while I agree that many southerners never owned slaves, that statement does exclude the war from being about slavery. You cannot deny that when a man donned the rebel gray, he was fighting for the Confederate government, a government that was based on the right to own slaves. Personal enlistment reasons aside, even if a soldier didn’t own slaves, he was still fighting for that right.

To say anything but the institution of slavery was THE cause of the Civil War does not do the conflict and slaughter of roughly 620,000 men justice.

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By: Chris Evans https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342&cpage=1#comment-43585 Tue, 18 Jan 2011 02:32:36 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342#comment-43585 I agree. Excellent thought provoking response to Jackson’s column by Eric. I totally agree that the sacrifices of both sides should be recognized. It is so hard to imagine being in their shoes. The soldiers that were in the battles were essentially experiencing hell on earth certainly deserve are respect. I can’t begin to imagine the privations experienced on both sides.
Chris

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By: Richard Pruitt https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342&cpage=1#comment-43577 Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:57:58 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342#comment-43577 I have no problems with the ideas expressed by Mr Jackson or Mr Wittenberg. Both have valuable opinions. Too bad Mr Jackson does not leave a plug for the 1st Battalion Corps d’Afrique, or the 1st Kansas Colored Infantry. Both of these were fine Black units that had excellent service records. If it had not been for the Mathew Broderick/Denzil Washington movie would people be aware of the 54th Massachusetts? I wish more people would study up on famous Civil War units. There many fine examples out there.

Richard Pruitt

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By: RichardS https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342&cpage=1#comment-43572 Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:14:01 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2342#comment-43572 I am finding myself agreeing with both Mr. Jackson and Mr. Wittenberg. We need to commemorate the Civil War, but celebrate the ending of it and the start of the nation we now know as the United States of America. What part should the Confederate flag play? It needs to be included, but not given a special place above/beyond the US (Union) flag. The Confederate NATIONAL flag has not been co-opted by hate groups the Battle Flag has and since we’re really talking about the Confederacy and not simply the Confederate Army perhaps that is the way to go?

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