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Comments on: The TRUE Wizard of the Saddle https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Jim https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23&cpage=1#comment-79444 Mon, 15 Dec 2014 01:26:21 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23#comment-79444 This is an excellent discussion of two of the greatest Americans to ever wear a uniform. That said, to elevate one of my heroes, Hampton, at the expense of Forrest is incorrect as are many of the points raised.

Forrest was treated in a criminal manner by many of his commanders. In the case of Bragg, Forrests’ unit, which he had raisedband equipped atnhis own expensevwas taken away from him not only once but twice, after he had formed a second.

Forrest was an excellent cavalry officer in every role and mission assigned him. See his performance at Fallen Timbers conducting rearguard and similarly after Chattanooga. His performance conducting recon and screen at chickamauga demonstrates his excellence in that role.

Forrest not only defeated all opponents except Wilson but defeated combined infantry and cavalry forces with cavalry which is rare for any cavalry force.

The statement that Forrests operations made no difference in the war is farthest from the mark of all. According to US Grant himself Forrests raid cutting his lines of communications to Tennessee, (combined with Van Dorns destruction of his supply base) ended Grants first offensive to take Vicksburg extending the war in the West by at least a year

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By: raymond hix https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23&cpage=1#comment-44731 Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:23:00 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23#comment-44731 Gen. Wade Hampton and N.B. Forrest were both very fine Cavalry officers and both contributed to the Cause in substantial ways. Comparing the War in Northern Virginia with the West is silly. The reason the South failed is the fact that Gen. Lee was primarily concerned with defending Va. while in the West the war was spread out over the rest of the Confederacy. That said, W. Hampton is one of my favorite historical military figures ahead of Forrest, but calling Hampton the Wizard of the Saddle is about a preposterous as calling Wheeler the Gray Ghost. I would take Wheeler, Forrest, Hampton, Mosby, or Morgan as my cavalry man any day over Little Phil or that moron Custer.

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By: Dr.G https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23&cpage=1#comment-34210 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:25:26 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23#comment-34210 FYI – for all you Hampton heads – Rod Andrew, Jr. just published his biography of Hampton through UNC Press. Still reading it, but so far so good. Really good maps and illustrations (I think he must have got in good with the folks at the South Caroliniana Library at USC). Title – “Wade Hampton: Confederate Warrior to Southern Redeemer.” Themes – paternalism, honor, chivalry and vindication.

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By: Charles Bennett https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23&cpage=1#comment-23772 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:47:05 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23#comment-23772 About W. Hampton, I’m trying to find any info about one of my great uncles who served in the 7th Va. Cav. I understand that his commander was Rosser who served under Hampton if I’m correct.
I’ve been looking for unit records, pay,enlistments,etc. and can’t seem to locate any rolls for that unit. Anybody have any suggestions?
Also, his brother served with Hatcher’s Independent Cavalry Brigade which I assume to have been Confederate. I don’t know who or if they were attached to any other unit. Any help with that one would also be much appreciated

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By: Darrell L. Combs https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23&cpage=1#comment-13962 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:47:09 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23#comment-13962 This site is really useful. I am engaging in working on a Masters degree in Civil War History and there is always food for thought (in depth) here.
I just wanted to says thanks

Darrell L. Combs
USMC (Infantry) Ret.

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By: Rantings of a Civil War Historian » This Just Amazes Me…. https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23&cpage=1#comment-13954 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:52:25 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23#comment-13954 […] On October 10, 2005, I made one of my first posts on this blog. It shows up as p. 23 on the blog. By comparison, this is p. 579. That post dealt with all of the reasons why I’m no fan of Nathan Bedford Forrest. […]

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By: Jack Halbrook https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23&cpage=1#comment-13953 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:37:48 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23#comment-13953 Bedford Forrest was, according to General Sherman the “Very Devil”. After the war Sherman stated that he never knew what Forrest was up to but that Forrest seemed to always know what he was doing. In the retreat from Shiloh, Forrest was blown out of his saddle by a musket jammed into his side yet managed to grab a soldier by the collar, sling him over his back using him as a shield and retreat to his own line before his own horse fell dead from wounds.

Forrest defeated an army twice his size at Brice’s Crossroads, captured all their cannons and chased them back to Memphis. He used a few good men, boys too young to serve at the beginning of the war, deserters and old men. He rolled his artillery out in front of his skirmish line, had them unlimber and open fire. He later told his artillery commander that artillery was meant to be taken “and I wanted to see them capture yours.”

When Sherman marched to the sea through Georgia, he sent another army under A J Smith to keep Forrest of his supply line. Forrest fought than larger arm to a standstill and was wonded again.

He was wounded a third time by one of his own men with a knife.

He was wounded yet again in Alabama by a saber near the end of the war while defending the arsenal at Selma.

He killed 23 men and had 22 horses shot out from under him. I do not know it that qualifies him to be a cavalry officer or not but it sure seems to me that you have to know how to get on a horse before you can have it shot out from under you!

At Chickamauga Forrest urged Bragg to take Chatanooga. Bragg did not. The capture of Chatanooga could have easily turned the tide for the army in the West. Forrest never had a commander over him of the quality of the Army of Northern Virginia.

There is at least one biography on Forrest written during his lifetime with interviews of him. Several more were written before 1940. I could write a biography about Joe Shelby including elephants and dragons but that does not mean it is accurate.

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By: Bernie O'Bryan https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23&cpage=1#comment-13834 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:43:45 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23#comment-13834 Taking nothing away from Hampton, nor his abilities, but
to contend that Forrest wasn’t quite the general as Hampton, because his opposition was not as prominent as Hampton’s is like saying Alexander may not have been quite up to the mark because he chiefly faced Darius, or that Grant in the west did not have to face Lee, Jackson, etc. Your arguements should have not included who was promoted sooner or higher, as those things are heavily influenced by politics, wealth, connections, recommendations of commanding officers, etc. Kirby-Smith wanted to promote many officers in the west, but because communication was limited with the Mississippi being controled by the union was often frustrated waiting and communicating with Richmond in his limited means. Forrest beat all comers until overwhelmed at Selma, even Sherman worried about him. Sherman also faced Hampton, but did not seemed as concerned about him as he had about Forrest. Could Hampton have done more than Forrest if Hampton had been under the thumb of Bragg. What could have Forrest achieved if overseen and mentored by Lee, Stuart or Jackson? Forrest never wanted to follow foolish orders or poor generals. The defeat at Tupelo was a fight advocated against, and Selma’s defense was most likely the best anyone could have done under the circumstances. If Forrest’s commander had been anyone but Bragg, he most likely would have been promoted faster. The death of A.S. Johnson early in the war had a cascading effect among the entire leadership corps. Even Lee later said that he knew little about Forrest until late in the war. The Kentucky Invasion may have gone differently with Forrest apart of its instead of being sent south to recruit and organize new troops. His aggressiveness and sense of tactics may have pushed Bragg into a better position with higher chance of success. Certainly his own troops would have performed better. He knew Kentucky having personnal traveled to Louisville to outfit his troops early in the war, and actively raided in West Kentucky (Paducah). Imagine if he had been in charge during instead of Morgan during the great 1863 raid instead of Morgan, our held higher command earlier in the war.

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By: Jerry Price https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23&cpage=1#comment-13071 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:54:13 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23#comment-13071 A superb biography was written on Hampton in 1940 by the title of “Giant in Gray” by Manly Wade Wellman. It was out of print for many years. Morningside Books of Dayton, Ohio made a reprint in 1988.

Check with them or check on ebay to locate a copy. A must read for anyone who admires the man.

It tells many little know n tales that sheds greater light on Hampton.

A couple of brief ones I found interesting:

At Gettysburg, the day prior to the battle at East Calvary Field, Hampton was off alone reconnoitering when he came across a lone Union trooper who fired at him. Hampton pulled his revolver and fired back. Oddly, they had a duel in which they allowed the other to take alternating shots. When the trooper’s rifle jammed, Hampton held his fire, allowed the Union man to clear it and resume his fire. Hampton managed to slightly wound the man, who then retreated.

Earlier in the war, Hampton was again out scouting alone when he came across a Union soldier in the middle of a creek, bathing buck naked, as one would expect. The man convinced Hampton he was a noncombatant and about to go on leave back home to marry. Hampton allow the man to go back to his lines, minus his clothes. In return, the soldier promised to name his first born son Wade Hampton…which he eventually did.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23&cpage=1#comment-17 Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:38:11 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=23#comment-17 Barry,

There are two very recent bios of Hampton. They have different strengths. Ed Longacre’s recent bio, Gentleman and Soldier: A Biography of Wade Hampton is pretty good on his military career, while Walter Brian Cisco’s Wade Hampton: Confederate Warrior, Conservative Statesman is a superb treatment of Hampton’s remarkable political career after the war. If you combine both, you will get a really good overview of his life and accomplishments.

Eric

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