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Comments on: Prof. Glenn LaFantasie on the insanity of secession https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: John Haney https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264&cpage=1#comment-44080 Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:26:56 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264#comment-44080 Dear Sir:

I re-read my post and agree with your assessment about the personal attacks being inappropriate. I apologize to anyone who read that version of the response. I have just edited out what I supposed to be the personally offensive aspects of my blogpost.

I hope that this is satisfactory.

I would appreciate any rebuttal to my post based on reason and evidence.

Also, I have read several references to Prof. Lafantasie’s knowledge of William Oates and the battle of Little Round Top. I also posted on the 15th Alabama, and solicit any opinions in response to the information there.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

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By: John Haney https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264&cpage=1#comment-44079 Tue, 01 Feb 2011 21:28:40 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264#comment-44079 I offer a rebuttal of Dr. Lafantasie’s essay here:

http://thebonnieblueblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/how-south-rationalizes-secession-its.html

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By: Michael Weldon https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264&cpage=1#comment-43082 Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:01:17 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264#comment-43082 In the article, LaFantasie seems to equate the Republicans of Lincoln’s time to the Republican’s of today, which I thought odd, because the Parties have more or less reversed their stated positions…
Then, the Reps were the more liberal party and the Dems the more conservative.
As an expert on the history of the time, one would expect LaFantasie to know such things…
Once a reader considers that idea, it becomes difficult to take the rest of the article seriously…
Meaning, I agree with ‘The General’s’ Comment…

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By: John https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264&cpage=1#comment-42967 Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:53:13 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264#comment-42967 Very interesting but it sure shows how differently people view the same history. I don’t agree with this article at all but it is good to know how other people think.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264&cpage=1#comment-42901 Wed, 22 Dec 2010 03:07:41 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264#comment-42901 Not hardly, no.

While I think that the Tea Partiers have usurped the label patriot for their own means, you’re dead wrong about this. I agree with Glenn because he’s right. End of story.

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By: PHW https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264&cpage=1#comment-42893 Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:18:18 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264#comment-42893 Unfortunately, I think Eric’s position on this post is related to his own political animosity toward Republicans and tea-partiers and he’s using the article as a means to vent.

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By: Jeff Mancini https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264&cpage=1#comment-42876 Tue, 21 Dec 2010 05:00:31 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264#comment-42876 I do not place one bit of thought into Texas Governor Rick Perry’s supposed threats of secession on floor votes in the Texas legislature. At this point in our history I believe that their is a certain belligerent attitude that pervades the country in regards to its current and future course. In no way, shape or form do I consider the Tea Party advocates or for that matter other extreme platforms to be an ideological or constructive force as to the eventual outcome of our current maladies caused for the most part by faulty economic policies. Lets be frank: I listened to Rick Perry on a CNBC interview this summer extol the virtues of his job creating Texas economy. His philosophies make sense. I, like Governor Perry, don’t believe that America can tax and regulate itself back into prosperity. We both agree a retrenchment of embracing certain capitalistic principals should be embraced and legislated and that the pendulum on the economic front needs to swing back to the center. However to posture secession as a potential remedy is reckless and outdated. And yet I harken back to todays state of affairs in Washington. Yes the Democratic dominated Congress and Executive branch have swelled our current budget deficit to in excess of $13 trillion and the resulting backlash was a complete bludgeoning of the Democrats in this falls mid term elections. The people spoke at the ballot box. But Rick Perry is not viewed, as of today, as a national political force on the horizon as a potential GOP presidential frontrunner in 2012. Why? How come Sarah Palin and her stupid right wing out of touch rhetoric resonates even deeper than Rick Perry and his secessionist posturing? It is crazy but she is still perceived as the darling of the conservative movement. Fact of the matter is Barack Obama just manuevered a compromise tax cut and at the same time distanced himself from left wing portions of Congress. On the surface he is being made to be perceived as a great compromiser, a centrist who refuses to give way to extreme elements on both sides of the aisle. Say what you want his moderate stand on this issue has grabbed the bulk of middle of the road politically thinking Americans by the scruff of the neck and perhaps catapluted himself into another four years in the Oval Office. Is Obama out of touch? Probably so on a number of issues. Americans, however, are in the mood for compromise, the ability to cut a deal, the art of staving off gridlock, developing a perception that things can and will get done in Washington. Perhaps the inability in the late 1850’s, early 1860’s to compromise, to come together on the salient points of a society trying to adjust from an agrarian establishment fostered in part by inexpensive slave labor in low populated areas vs a fast rising population embracing industrialism and a new way of life could have averted the American Civil War. In the end the idealogues won out. The ability to compromise was stunted. It was neutered by an inability to communicate the alternatives. The alternative then was war and the next 4 1/2 years set the stage for a reconfirmation of our values. Trashed in its wake was a tough call on the separation of church and state and a spate of atrocites committed by and against its citizenry. Today our society is more advanced: economically, socially and educatioanally. Mainstream America for that matter mainstream Texans are not about to fall for some secessionist snake oil nonsense like the vitriol that swamped Quebec in the 1970’s for example. It is not going to happen. If it was a relevent issue Rick Perry would be considered a rising star on the American political scene instead of being a lap dog in Sarah Palin’s rear view mirror.

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By: Alton https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264&cpage=1#comment-42870 Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:18:12 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264#comment-42870 The article is spot on, but it could have gone without the political jabs. Painting all Republicans and tea partiers (can’t speak to tenthers since I hadn’t heard of them until now) with the same brush as Gov Perry does a disservice. After all we all don’t “look alike”.

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By: Longshot https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264&cpage=1#comment-42860 Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:17:04 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264#comment-42860 To say that the states are not free to leave the compact into which they entered basically means that the states subordinate to the organization they themselves created. Can you point me to any section in the Constitution that forbids the States from leaving the union?

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By: PHW https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264&cpage=1#comment-42859 Mon, 20 Dec 2010 02:22:35 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2264#comment-42859 I still disagree, as I did in April 2009 in a post where people were also ranting against Gov Perry. The United States is NOT perpetual, the 1869 Radical Republican-dominated Supreme Court decision notwithstanding. Does anyone actually think the liberal Radical Republican court would have said, “Yea, secession is legal, even though we just spent 300000 lives to defeat it?” The outcome of the Texas v White case was determined before it ever went to court. And the only thing the Civil War proved was that the South wasn’t strong enough to military defeat the North. The Civil War didn’t prove secession was wrong at all.

It’s the right of any people to determine their own course…forcing states to stay within a union the states object to is, in itself, tantamount to enforced subjugation. And before one makes the link from states to the slaves, slavery was wrong. Period. Even when Brazil was doing it as late as 1883 or as is still being practiced in Sudan (or in the North (ummm…hello, Delaware) under that fraudulent Emancipation Proclamation)

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