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Comments on: John Singleton Mosby and the Battle of Brandy Station https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: rick savard https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983&cpage=1#comment-37758 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:36:15 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983#comment-37758 Wassup, Al! From what i’ve read (and that’s probably a lot less than you), Custer should hold the least blame for the hangings. Mr. Wert says so in his book. I need to check on Eric Wittenberg’s work concerning the subject.(having read Mr. Wittenberg i also admire his authorship. Both he and Mr. Wert can turn a phrase.) What surprised me and really opened my eyes is reading that “partisan” bands proliferated; on both sides; or maybe more in the South where most of the battles took place. This came as news to me and i’m interested in finding out more about the subject. Have any suggestions? God Bless America…..rick

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By: Al Ovies https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983&cpage=1#comment-37752 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:53:05 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983#comment-37752 Rick, (and Valerie too)

Enjoyed your comments re: Mosby. In truth, I am neither for or against his actions, either for or against Early’s actions. My interest in Mosby lies in his continuous sparring with Custer and Merritt’s troopers. I have developed a pretty extensive knowledge of Mosby/Custer and am looking for more info on Mosby/Merritt. Custer was blamed for the hangings of Mosby’s men at Front Royal, and I have always felt that it was Merritt who ordered/supervise their executions. I have been working for several years on a book about the Custer/Merritt relationship and feel that the Front Royal incident was one of the major sticking points in their emnity. So thanks for the info-every little bit helps!

Al

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By: rick savard https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983&cpage=1#comment-37735 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 05:07:17 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983#comment-37735 Hi Al. Some of the charges laid against Mosby and his men were actually committed by smaller, less-organized bands although i would never allege that Mosby’s men were pure of heart, always. He certainly had his share of written commendations from Bob Lee and was finally promoted to Colonel. Regular army types have always held a prejudice against smaller, independent commands—WHY? Because they tend to attract aggressive men who more willingly endure hardship to win. And, don’t forget, Mosby, on a number of occasions, held formations during which those who joined his Command to avoid regular service were thrown out and escorted back to higher commands. I have to repeat, Jubal Early’s prejudice against Mosby–real or imagined—were hurtful to The Cause. When things ain’t going your way a refusal by a Commander to make use of all his resources is foolhardy if you win and maybe sumpin’ else if you lose; dereliction of duty maybe being one. BUT—-Very Happy to have a chance to discuss it with you…..rick

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By: Valerie Protopapas https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983&cpage=1#comment-37729 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:09:33 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983#comment-37729 As for Early (and Rosser and Fitzhugh Lee) vis a vie Mosby: yes, Mosby was not liked by the “ring knockers” of the regular army. They disliked him personally (Lee) and they disliked his name and fame. They didn’t understand partisan warfare and blamed Mosby for many egregious deeds committed by renegades from both sides. Mostly, however, they disliked his press and his fame which they believed should go to them and the regular army.

Mosby tried to work with Early and sent men to that General when he began his operations – men whom Early knew and who knew him. But Early was devious and gave Mosby little or no information about his intentions. He then ordered Mosby to make an attack on Point of Rocks – an attack he just performed and Early knew it! Early also insisted on sending Mosby oral rather than written orders. Mosby, not knowing Early’s messengers and aware that he was always in danger of traps and ambushes, refused to follow such directions noting that both Stuart and Lee (Robert E.) had always sent him written orders. However, Mosby really did not know the extent of Early’s malignant hatred until after the war when he learned that Early had dismissed help any help from the 43rd by saying that he was damned if his men were going to do the fighting while Mosby’s did the looting. If Early had cared to look, he would have learned that Mosby’s command had outfought and defeated Union commands often many times their number.

No, I would not make any determinations about Mosby from men like Early or Rosser or Fitz Lee. Their judgment was tainted by envy and ego and neither objective nor accurate.

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By: Don Caughey https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983&cpage=1#comment-37726 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:17:53 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983#comment-37726 Eric,

I agree with you concerning Stahel’s entire division, but it does speak to some extent of Mosby’s influence that the ever-acquisitive Pleasonton wasn’t able to obtain another brigade or two from Stahel’s formation.

In fairness, attributing 6,000 sabers to Stahel’s division is generous. As Craig notes, several of the regiments were very green, and several of the veteran regiments suffered from depleted ranks. 6,100 on paper, perhaps, but I’d estimate closer to 4,000 effectives.

Don

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By: Al Ovies https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983&cpage=1#comment-37718 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:39:51 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983#comment-37718 Eric,

Great post on Mosby. That lawyerly mind of yours sure can cut to the meat of the matter.

To Rick Savard: In defense of Jubal Early’s treatment of Mosby, he wasn’t the only Confederate general who felt that way. In fact, outside of JEB Stuart, you would be hard pressed to find a Rebel general who put much stock in the partisans. Stephen D. Ramseur, and many others in Early’s command believe that the partisans were a detriment to the Confederate cause, and worked tirelessly to have the system outlawed. Eventually, the Confederate Congress abolished the guerilla bands-with the exception of Mosby. In the official records, R. E. Lee complimented Mosby on several occassions, but at the same time took him to task for several episodes which were ethically/morally borderline. He even accused Mosby of profiteering from his military activities, while so many in the regular army were suffering all kinds of privations.

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By: rick savard https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983&cpage=1#comment-37713 Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:33:53 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983#comment-37713 Just re-read Jeffrey’s Wert’s fine book on Mosby. Can’t recall that Brandy Station is barely mentioned. As far as Mosby interferring with Sheridan’s ’64 invasion of the Valley; Mosby certainly tried hard and he did what he did, especially the Berryville raid but Ol’ Jube could certainly have used Mosby as a force multiplier against the Union advance if he didn’t have such a burr under his saddle concerning Mosby. Pride and a general ignorance on just what hurtin’ Mosby’ s Rangers could have done against the Federal advance can be laid at Gen. Early’s tent-post.

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By: Civil War - Timeline Of US Civil War - 1863 https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983&cpage=1#comment-37708 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:26:01 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983#comment-37708 […] […]

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By: Valerie Protopapas https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983&cpage=1#comment-37705 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:58:49 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983#comment-37705 Eric,
Thank you for the kind words. I cannot speak to battles – they are not my forte or of much interest to me except in passing. However, I have forwarded your comments to the President of the Society, Richard Crouch, who wrote a book on that battle and will let you know if he should get back to me with his comments (time permitting, of course).

However, there is no doubt of the effect Mosby and his ubiquitous and very dangerous command had on Sheridan’s fight with Early later in the war. Sheridan himself noted in his autobiography that despite his advantage in troop numbers, said advantage was effectively nullified by Mosby’s presence in his rear. When a man in Sheridan’s position blames in print a command that never had a thousand men over the course of the war or more than five hundred (and usually a great deal less) at any given time, there has to be a certain admission (however grudging) of Mosby’s effectiveness as a commander and strategist. Remember, Mosby’s largest assault was the Berryville raid (August 13, 1864) in which he used 300 men to attack a very large wagon train. In that action he lost two men dead, two wounded, took two hundred Union prisoners and a very large amount of cattle, horses and mules as well as burning seventy wagons. In October of that same year, he hit the B&O line that Sheridan had declared “safe” from guerrilla depredations and after burning the train, got away with an army payroll of over $165,000. When the matter was reported, other army paymasters locked themselves in their rooms and refused to move until they were guaranteed protection against Mosby and his men.

As noted, I cannot comment upon Brandy Station except to quote the comment by the Count of Paris (a Union officer) and the testimony of General Hooker. Hopefully, Mr. Crouch might be able to add to the discussion.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983&cpage=1#comment-37695 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:41:06 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1983#comment-37695 Alejandro,

Correct.

Eric

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