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Comments on: Dimitri and Primary Sources https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Ralph Hitchens https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-1063 Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:19:02 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172#comment-1063 Very interesting post, although it looks like “myth” is an overstatement. In my reading I never got down to your level of detail, and don’t see that it changes my understanding of the battle — Buford’s cavalry did indeed have “rapid-fire” carbines that enabled them to check the Confederate advance.

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By: Dave Smith https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-980 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:43:03 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172#comment-980 Perhaps a classic that still needs a good treatment is the Confederate command at Vicksburg.

Simply reading *all* of the ORs pertinent to the Confederate command, and not simply Joe Johnston’s memoirs, easily paints one a different picture than what has traditionally been reported.

Couple it with the tendency of historians to treat Vicksburg as the U.S. Grant Show,” and it’s not surprising the story starts on the western bank of the Mississippi River, and ends under that tree between the lines, with Pemberton, Johnston and Davis relative side shows.

Don’t get me wrong – Pemberton still surrenders in the end … 🙂

Dave

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-971 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:17:00 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172#comment-971 Fred,

You’re correct about the caliber. My bad.

I think you’re correct in your analysis. The issue is not the speed of fire, but rather the myth and its perpetuation. But, your point is well-taken.

Eric

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By: Fred Ray https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-969 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:15:20 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172#comment-969 Eric, the both the Spencer and Sharps were .52 caliber, no?

The firepower story might not be such a myth, even tho it seems indisputable that Buford’s boys were armed with single-shot Sharps carbines.

Consider: the Sharps was good for about 10 rounds per min. aimed fire; the Spencer maybe 15 (one rd every 6 secs vs. one per 4 secs). But — every 7 shots the Spencer shooter has to stop, remove the follower from the stock, drop in 7 more rounds, recharge, and resume firing. The Sharps shooter does not, so in a sustained engagement, as at Gettysburg, the rates of fire are probably pretty close, especially considering the time needed to acquire and aim at a target, lulls in the action, time to cool off, resupply, etc.

So my take would be that there was not a whole lot of difference in the amount of lead going downrange whether they were armed with Sharps or Spencers, given the circumstances. Both arms, of course, would vastly outshoot muzzle loaders.

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By: Don https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-967 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:36:19 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172#comment-967 Eric,
Found it also this morning when I went back by the office. Thanks for the look-up. Of all the sources I’ve put together since working on Brandy Station and Kelly’s Ford, yours is the only one that didin’t refer me to another book. The academic runaround is really frustrating at times.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-964 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:09:51 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172#comment-964 s men might have carried Spencer repeating rifles, as elements of the the Michigan Cavalry Brigade did at Gettysburg."</i> To be precise, all of the 5th Michigan Cavalry and approximately half of the 6th Michigan Cavalry of Custer's Michigan Cavalry Brigade were armed with Spencer repeating rifles. Those weapons played a major role in the fighting on East Cavalry Field on July 3, 1863. Eric]]> Correct, and I in fact, said something to that effect. Specifically, I wrote in my original post yesterday, “That leads us to the question of whether Buford’s men might have carried Spencer repeating rifles, as elements of the the Michigan Cavalry Brigade did at Gettysburg.”

To be precise, all of the 5th Michigan Cavalry and approximately half of the 6th Michigan Cavalry of Custer’s Michigan Cavalry Brigade were armed with Spencer repeating rifles. Those weapons played a major role in the fighting on East Cavalry Field on July 3, 1863.

Eric

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By: B Johnson https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-963 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:04:36 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172#comment-963 Dont disagree with your comments on Spencers and Buford.

However, I think you will find that Custer had a fair amount of Spencers at that time.

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-961 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 00:19:51 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172#comment-961 Don,

I just looked them up. My source for the first episode is a postwar newspaper article by a trooper of the 3rd Pennsylvania Cavalry. The second is a March 22, 1863 article from the New York Times.

Eric

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-960 Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:58:05 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172#comment-960 Don,

It’s fairly well documented, but I can’t recall the precise sources for that episode. I will try to remember to look it up.

Thanks for your kind words about both the post and the book.

Eric

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By: The General https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172&cpage=1#comment-959 Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:56:09 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=172#comment-959 Kevin,

The questions of reliability of sources written long after the war is another rant for another day, but you’re right.

Eric

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