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Comments on: An Ugly Spat https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: John Foskett https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660&cpage=1#comment-36852 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:31:54 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660#comment-36852 I certainly concede the validity of your argument. Having read Bynum’s blog entries, however, my own view is that she went overboard, especially given what we in the legal profession know as the “appearance of impropriety”. Had you or someone else without a perceived stake in the outcome said the same things, it would have arrived in a completely different package. Full disclosure – having been involved in a few lawsuits arising out of employment issues (tenure, “collegiality”, etc.) in the academic setting, I’ve seen too many instances where egos were driving the car and other, probably more relevant, factors were tossed to the curb. For what it’s worth, I’ve read both books and I’m not sure what all the smoke and thunder is about on either side. But that seems to have gotten lost.

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By: Brooks Simpson https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660&cpage=1#comment-36850 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:49:43 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660#comment-36850 Again, while I understand this notion of a “pox on both their houses” from one angle, I could also view it from view of stone-throwing at glass houses. Historians — and I mean all historians, regardless of degree or pedigree — often disagree with each other, and sometimes do so in ways that raise serious questions about an author’s scholarship. See what Eric has said about a certain book about Gettysburg. I would not attribute his criticism to “petty competitive motives.”

Author A writes a book. Author B writes a book that reaches different conclusions than did author A. Author A raises questions about those conclusions (and the questions will always be seen in some quarters as “trashing” author B’s work, which, of course, raised questions about author A’s conclusions). That happens all the time. It’s happened on this blog. It’s happened on my blog. Now, when author B responds by launching a personal attack and not responding to the substance of author A’s criticism, and, upon further inquiry, we find that author B does this all the time … and in print … well, I guess I don’t conclude “a pox on both houses,” and I don’t think that’s a fair conclusion.

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By: John Foskett https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660&cpage=1#comment-36848 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:44:14 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660#comment-36848 I think that the only clear conclusion which emerges from this unseemly “p—–g” contest is that all too often petty competitive motives trump legitimate debate and criticism. The comments alluding to Stauffer’s history above are well-taken. At the same time, and especially in these circumstances, was it a good idea for Bynum to devote several entries on her blog to the trashing of the Stauffer/Jenkins book? It should be understandable if one takes a “pox on both their houses” attitude.

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By: sarah freeman https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660&cpage=1#comment-36847 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:36:33 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660#comment-36847 This controversy is not so much about the history, but about scholarly integrity–it is about how a university press sold the film rights to Universal and how Universal turned around and created a bastardized book (and not just a film) via Doubleday that ripped off Bynum’s original research. Stauffer is not a historian, nor does he seem to respect what historians do. The process was dishonest and those who cheat should be exposed–period.

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By: Paul https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660&cpage=1#comment-36845 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:24:49 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660#comment-36845 Another old Hollywood adage: “There’s no such thing as bad publicity.”

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By: Brooks Simpson https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660&cpage=1#comment-36844 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:32:40 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660#comment-36844 There continues to be a notion held by some parties here that this is a mutual “mud-slinging” in which all parties are equally guilty. I’m afraid that if you read the actual exchanges, and see the exchanges in which Stauffer has participated elsewhere, you might have time to make a more informed assessment of the nature of this particular debate.

That said, it certainly does bear some striking similarities to the mudslinging about what people think of what Wiley Sword wrote about John Bell Hood.

It also does bear repeating that people who hold forth on how unseemly this all is don’t always recall those observations when they find themselves in the middle of such a “discussion.”

One thing is for sure: the advent of the internet will have profound implications for the discussion of historical scholarship.

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By: Art Bergeron https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660&cpage=1#comment-36843 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:07:45 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660#comment-36843 I have not read either book but am somewhat familiar with the controversy over the so-called Free State of Jones and Newt Knight. Much of what has been written about the latter has been based more upon local lore than good, deep historical research in the records. In many cases, the favorable view of both seems overstated and biased.

There is an old addage: “Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story [or movie?].”

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By: Craig https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660&cpage=1#comment-36842 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:40:03 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660#comment-36842 Dan,

> This is a bizarre and indefensible position for a professor of anything to take.

No it isn’t when you think about it from a logical, rational point of view. Is it the job of academia to go about squashing any and all examples of poor scholarship, erroneous conclusions, and bad arguments? Should we extend that into the popular press? Come now, you know that is silly.

What my professor indicated is he felt that if the scholarship was solid and the other person’s work of note, then he should respond by way of a review. And that review should highlight not only the points that the reviewer disagreed upon, but also the redeeming qualities of the work.

On the other hand, if the work was a poor intellectual product, why bother spending the time to elevate it to a false level of acceptance? That’s a lot different than simply ignoring it. From him, a highly respected professor within his field, silence on a matter such as that was quite deafening.

Respectfully,
Craig

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By: dan https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660&cpage=1#comment-36839 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:52:00 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660#comment-36839 Craig,

>then don’t write the review

This is a bizarre and indefensible position for a professor of anything to take. So, the argument is if the intellectual product is poor, just ignore it?
Isn’t it the responsibility of the academy to inform people about poor scholarship, erroneous conclusions, and bad arguments?

Apparently, this professor never quite got the concept of literary criticism.

Best,
Dan

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By: Craig https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660&cpage=1#comment-36838 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:47:11 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1660#comment-36838 Unfortunately, I found during my time in graduate school that this type of behavior trends to the common place. I’ve actually sat in classes were a professor would openly denounce, denigrate, and to some degree openly mock a rival counterpart. Part of it involves job market saturation, with too many with the credentials competing for a limited set of seats at the table. But I dare say the greater issue is how many folks just cannot take or provide constructive criticism! (emphasis on the later part, if I may.)

Perhaps the best bit of advice regarding reviews I’d received in grad school came from a professor of English Lit. His bottom line was, if you think the book poorly written, discount the scholarship, or just don’t like it, then don’t write the review. Don’t give the author the exposure that, regardless of what you say, will lead to wider distribution of what you deem a poor product!

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