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Comments on: Dana Shoaf on the Conflict Between Mass Appeal and Scholarship https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Don Caughey https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479&cpage=1#comment-36235 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:43:24 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479#comment-36235 I think perhaps a middle ground approach could be very beneficial here. As someone suggested above, post the article with footnotes in the online version, where it doesn’t cost the publisher in advertising space, printing costs, etc. Simply add one sentence at the beginning/ end of the article: “For those interested in further information on this story, a full version of the this article with footnotes can be accessed at …..”

The magazine incurs no additional cost or loss of space, the magazine retains its current visual appeal, and those of us who like to dig in and explore have the full means to do so.

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By: John Foskett https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479&cpage=1#comment-36224 Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:48:29 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479#comment-36224 I used to be more concerned about the lack of footnotes than i am now. Not conicidentally, my concerns diminshed as the quality of the articles (and authors) has improved significantly in both magazines.In my opinion, footnotes in a popular publication serve two purposes. They allow an interested reader to explore background sources for more detailed information. They also allow the reader to “cross examine” the author. Frankly, I’d wager that the overwhelming majority of folks who subscribe to these magazines don’t bother doing either. That means that for most people footnotes become simply a presumption that the article is reliable (which may or may not be the case). I still think footnotes would be an improvement, but their absence no longer has the effect for me that it once did – a prerequisite for subscribing. And I still remember the article by our friend DiLorenzo about Lincoln and the Tariff in N&S – which had one single, solitary footnote. I suppose that’s compliance….

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By: Larry Freiheit https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479&cpage=1#comment-36188 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:26:23 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479#comment-36188 I have all issues of the Columbiad and agree that it is a shame that it was not more popular. I also agree that endnotes in CWT would make articles within it much more valuable even if the notes were only available on line. The Civil War Regiments series, A Journal of the American Civil War, I thought was also well done with great endnotes but also not popular enough to survive long.

As Craig said, being pointed in the right direction for further research plus being able to read the sources to understand the author’s arguments is extremely valuable for me.

I have almost all issues of Civil War History back to 1955 and agree with Brette that the older issues which contain less social history are much more interesting. BTW, I have several dozen old CWH available for trade to complete my collection of CWH, the Civil War Regiments series, and CWT (PM if interested: killsour@hotmail.com).

Larry Freiheit

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By: Gary https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479&cpage=1#comment-36187 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:57:01 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479#comment-36187 Isn’t this the same trend in philosophy that governs the new museums and visitor centers being built at historical sites around the country? The Abraham Lincoln museum in Springfield, IL and the new Gettysburg visitor center come to mind.

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By: Harry https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479&cpage=1#comment-36186 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:05:04 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479#comment-36186 Having discussed this topic with Dana at length and having heard him speak on it at ths SCWH conference this past June, I think I can say that to “be considered “respectable” [or] of “value” to intellectuals or students or teachers or scholars” isn’t really what he’s going for (though his magainzes are held in higher regard than some would like to think). CWT has been around for nearly 50 years. It’s never used footnotes to any great extent, and some of the giants of CW history have written in its pages. The point he is making here is that academics are missing out on great opportunities to reach a wider audience and so have a greater impact.

As for footnotes in magazine articles, I can say that I’ve read plenty of them and they often (way, way too often) do not support what the author has concluded.

There is an audience (small) for traditional academic work. There is an audience (huge) for popular history without the bells and whistles. Dana is encouraging academics to preach to the folks who need salvation instead of to the choir. Based on who has been writing for CWT lately, I’d say some of them are taking his advice.

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By: Chuck https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479&cpage=1#comment-36185 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:23 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479#comment-36185 I gave up on CWTI, North & South and America’s Civil war ages ago. They just don’t have much depth to their articles. I subscribe only to Blue & Gray Magazine. Their articles are well written by known historians, wonderfully mapped and footnoted. They also take the time and space to cover a battle as thoroughly as possible for a magazine format (i.e. 2 issues on Fredericksburg, 2 issues on Shiloh, etc.).

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By: Craig Swain https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479&cpage=1#comment-36184 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:01:33 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479#comment-36184 Footnotes or not? I tend to read a book or article by way of notations. That’s because I like to know where the writer was coming from and validate what he/she wrote. And ALSO because I’m lazy, and don’t wish to look through several volumes in my library to find the validating information – so I “expect” the writer to point me in that direction. Sort of selfish, but then again the writer is the one making money off the exchange, however little.

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By: Dan https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479&cpage=1#comment-36182 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:12:29 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479#comment-36182 Andrew,

I am happy to defend my criticism of Dr. Faust’s abysmal book. You can read it here, if you wish.

http://booksfilmandmusic.com/2008/03/10/this-republic-of-suffering-by-drew-gilpin-faust-reviewed-must-history-hurt-so/

My credentials are irrelevent. If you disagree with the argument herein laid out, present your counter-argument.

Best Regards,
Daniel

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By: Brett Schulte - TOCWOC https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479&cpage=1#comment-36181 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:08:52 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479#comment-36181 Art,

As a current subscriber and collector of Civil War History, I’ve seen this trending away from Military History firsthand. I would estimate that currently something like two thirds of the articles focus on race while most of the rest focus on gender. In fact, Civil War History is the perfect example of what Dana is talking about when he says people think Social History is boring. It has become increasingly difficult to slog through some of the articles in Civil War History. I’ve got this weird anal thing where I can’t stand to skip articles in the magazines and journals I subscribe to, but it’s getting to the point where I might read one article, skim the other one or two, and just read some of the book reviews.

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By: Andrew Duppstadt https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479&cpage=1#comment-36180 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:55:38 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1479#comment-36180 Dan,
I understand where you are coming from on the footnote debate. Though I don’t know your background I think it’s a little dangerous to say that any historian’s conclusions (in this case Faust’s) are wrong without some qualification. That’s a pretty bold statement that was thrown out there and then left hanging. I’d like to see your footnotes to support that statement 😉

PS – I haven’t read Faust’s book so I’m not defending her; just saying that it takes some cajones to throw out something like that without some explanation.

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