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Comments on: More Fun With Dave Day https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414 Bringing obscurity into focus Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Larry Hill https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414&cpage=1#comment-60575 Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:55:06 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414#comment-60575 The medal of honor from the civil war was over awarded , Just like the Purple Heart” was when first issued(ie Gen.Washington’s design) was awarded for Bravery -Loyalty and other duties and not for being wounded (any soldier could be wounded) until a act of congress changed it’s award status (unknown year?) or the Bronze star for lesser acts of bravery (ww2 era ) , Medals values of pride vary as new awards are created and slipped into the chain rankings ………………….

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By: Jim Pettengill https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414&cpage=1#comment-36281 Sun, 03 May 2009 17:32:34 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414#comment-36281 And lastly, I agree totally about the sale of Medals of Honor. Dave Day’s medal should rightly be in the family, or at the Ouray County Historical Society museum. It should be donated.

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By: Jim Pettengill https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414&cpage=1#comment-36280 Sun, 03 May 2009 17:28:50 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414#comment-36280 A separate comment on Civil War Medals of Honor. In my Dave Day research I learned of the so-called “Purge of 1917”, in which all previous Medal of Honor awards were reviewed by a panel lead by General Nelson Miles. This review was prompted by complaints that many medals were not properly earned. The review led to the revocation of more than 900 Civil War Medals of Honor, as well as others, including one to “Buffalo Bill” Cody that was later reinstated late in the 20th Century. Dave Day’s medal (and those of the other members of the Vicksburg Volunteer Storming Party) was confirmed.

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By: Jim Pettengill https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414&cpage=1#comment-36279 Sun, 03 May 2009 17:20:15 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414#comment-36279 First, Eric, let me thank you for your work on Dave Day’s Civil War exploits. This is by far the most comprehensive discussion of his service that I have found to date, and I plan to refer to it in a book-length biography that I am working on. I live 5 miles from Ouray, Colorado and am a freelance writer. In 2005 I wrote a 6800 word article for the Ouray County Historical Society that is a general biography of Dave Day. While it does not pretend to be a comprehensive biography (it couldn’t be, at that length), It does serve as a good general summary of his interesting life. I would be pleased to email you a copy of the text file for your personal use.

Some general comments:

Relative to the term colonel, it appears that this was an honorary title bestowed by the governor of Colorado on a fair number of veterans in the early 1880s, and Day never stated in the Muldoon that it was an actual rank earned in the War. I’m still digging on this one.

Relative to the scar, Day tells the story of the mule in the Muldoon, and in other writing says that he used the story of the saber as a means of gaining the confidence of Confederate soldiers when he was returning to Federal lines after one of his escapes. In later days he may have used the saber story on other occasions – he was not the most consistent writer. He was sensitive about the scar, and always posed for photos with the right side of his face away from the camera. So far I’ve only seen one photo that shows the scar.

In his newspaper he rarely described his service in the War, only refering to it in general terms, except for a couple of occasions.

His son Rod, who was involved in the shooting described on this site, was known as a fearless editor, particularly for attacking the Ku Klux Klan, which was quite powerful in Colorado around 1920.

I have recently found reference to newspaper articles in the files of the Western History Collection of the Denver Public Library that imply that Day donated his Medal of Honor to a museum in Denver in the late 1890s. More on this after I get a chance to go over and copy it.

Dave Day is quite a legend in southwestern Colorado, and as with most legendary characters, separating the truth from the fiction is a challenge. Among others, he was reputed to have had 47 libel suits pending at one time (apparently untrue), to have fought duels (maybe true – one documented case in Ouray was defused and didn’t take place, the Durango shooting may or may not have involved a duel at one time), to have met Queen Victoria who later was a subscriber to the Muldoon (true), and many others. He was the most quoted editor in Colorado, and his newspaper, the Solid Muldoon, became a publishing legend for it’s wit, it’s borderline bawdy remarks, and its fearless stand on mining issues.

He was a fearless exposer of mining frauds and was a staunch Democrat, which made his life-long friendship with entrepreneur Otto Mears (a kingpin in Colorado Republican politics) unusual.

All in all, a fascinating man.

I would very much appreciate you contacting me with some references for the quotes you have used from Grant, Rice and others in your Day article. My local resources are quite limited, and knowing where to look for this information would allow me to locate and consult the primary references in a timely fashion.

Finally, an interesting discussion on the Wieder Group’s history publications. I have recently started contributing to their Wild West magazine. Eric Wieder should be congratulated for his dedication to promoting history to the general public.

Thank you again for your excellent article on Dave Day.

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By: Dan https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414&cpage=1#comment-36004 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:05:14 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414#comment-36004 Valerie’s comment that the merits for Day’s MOH may not have measured up by today’s standards is under valuing the “charge of forlorn hope at Vicksburg.” I seem to recall the W.T. Sherman in his Memoirs told those that did the charge that they probably would be killed. Perhaps Valerie should compere Frank Burns Purple Heart to the metal John Kerry boasted about being awarded in Nam.

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By: Valerie Protopapas https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414&cpage=1#comment-35945 Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:09:16 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414#comment-35945 As I say, I am not familiar with the criteria of the time. All that I know is in my own very limited knowledge of the war in reading the accounts about it, I see a lot of “and he was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor” for behavior that was more or less a matter of simple duty sans any truly unique or spectacular heroism. Somehow, it stuck in my mind as I read these various reports that the medal was being used as an attempt to bolster morale. Reminded me of Frank Burns Purple Heart.

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By: Craig Swain https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414&cpage=1#comment-35941 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:55:27 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414#comment-35941 Mike,
You describe the award of the MOH in the Civil War era rather well. There also seemed to be many awards made based on “networking,” to a degree.

I was recently reviewing a biographical sketch for a friend (names of friend and subject withheld, pending his publishing options). He spelled out the details of the MOH award of his subject. The award was made in the 1890s. The subject had served on the staff of three Generals post war, all of whom wrote recommendations, AND none of who were alive when the award was approved (so these reccomendations were clearly filed for future use). Three witnesses of the events for which the award was made were also MOH awardees. And the subject was also a witness on each of those MOH packets.

Doesn’t take a David Hackworth to figure out something was connected.

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By: Mike Nugent https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414&cpage=1#comment-35937 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:23:54 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414#comment-35937 Dan, It’s important to remember that the original criteria for the Medal of Honor during the Civi War is significanty different than it is now. At the time, it was the ONLY decoration in existence in the US military. In addition to heroism, the Medal could be awarded for “other soldierly qualities”, opening the door to dozens of awards of the Medal later found to be questionable. By modern standards many of these acts would not qualify for a Medal of Honor and the armed forces have established numerous other awards for heroism, valor and service of a lesser degree. (They’ve gone overboard with awards in my humble opinion.) At the time of the Civil War however, the Medal could be legitimately awarded for acts other than the extreme heroism required for the award in more recent conflicts.

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By: Dan https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414&cpage=1#comment-35936 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:20:37 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414#comment-35936 Mike,
I agree entirely!
These medals are priceless!
I understand that times are hard.. but, this is ridiculous, and, as you say, frickin’ illegal!
Really, what are folks thinking??
Dan

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By: Mike Nugent https://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414&cpage=1#comment-35935 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:13:14 +0000 http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=1414#comment-35935 In answer to Valerie’s question: 1,520 Medals were awarded during the Civil War, 1,195, Army, 308, Navy, 17, Marines. 25 of these were awarded posthumously.

More importantly however, selling a Medal of Honor is illegal under the United States Code, Title 18, Section 704. While hardly a widespread problem, the sale of Medals of Honor is regularly investigated by the FBI.

That the dealer is in England makes no difference in my opinion. While this particular sale, outside of US borders, may not actually constitue a crime, I’m disappointed that someone would seek to profit from the sale of a Medal of Honor. As the Nation’s highest military award, the Medal deserves respect and protection from commercialism. It isn’t just another artifact or a bauble to buy and trade.

And for the record I’d feel exactly the same way if an American dealer was offering a Victoria Cross for sale. As an old soldier it irks me to no end that any decorations for valor can be bought and sold.

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